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Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: 68jim] #1568224 01/26/14 06:45 PM 01/26/14 06:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: I agree on the not painted part. I also agree, but I am leaving the door open for other possibilities. I've seen quite a few NOS blocks (so far all bare) but have seen a fair number of warranty installed examples also, and some offer clues pointing towards some of them possibly being factory painted. Hopefully we as a group can keep investigating and add to the details we know about these.

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1568225 01/26/14 10:23 PM 01/26/14 10:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,785 Ontario, Canada mccannix master
mccannix master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,785 Ontario, Canada	Scott Wouldn't it make sense for someone to paint an engine just before installing. If I were putting an over the counter block in back in the day, I would certainly have painted it. I cant see the factory doing it..but then I wasn't there either. The picture of your painted engine with the blue tag shows the rivet just resting against the tag like someone added it. Those tags have always been available for sale if you look hard enough. I know of two old school buses with about 15 'over the counter' blocks in their old wooden crates... 273, 318, 360, 361, 400's and none were painted. Nor were the 340 or 440's that are gone now, painted. 8013079-zzzwarrenty1.JPG (156 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: mccannix] #1568226 01/27/14 02:56 AM 01/27/14 02:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks H hemicar1971 master
hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks	Never seen a bare block or short block that was bought from a Dealership ever having paint on it. The Hemi Short Block that was stolen from a person on Moparts and made its rounds from person to person then showed up on a thread on moparts was not painted just like the one above. I have had a few 440 bare blocks counter bought and all were not painted. The Hemi over the counter blocks I have owned were all used before I got them but I bought them completely without paint because they were ready to be assembled. One other thing, at one time when I built a motor I could not get Hemi Street Orange from the Dealership or any other place. This was around late 70s. I ended up using Plastikote Orange that is close in color back then. I have no idea why no one had Street Hemi Orange at the Dealerships. 1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: hemicar1971] #1568227 01/27/14 12:11 PM 01/27/14 12:11 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 236 M MarkMcDonald enthusiast
MarkMcDonald enthusiast M Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 236	I know of a 70 Hemi car with a warrenty short block that was installed back in the day. They put it in right out of the crate with no paint on it!

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: MarkMcDonald] #1568228 01/28/14 06:08 PM 01/28/14 06:08 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	I have been reading this thread as well as this one: 70 440 Warranty Block I have this 1970 Hemi block with no VIN stamping. It does have the WT on the front pad. I can find no evidence of a hole in the side of the block for a rivet retaining a metal tag. As you can see from the back of the engine, there appears to be some of the correct Hemi Orange paint remaining. The rest of the orange paint seems to have been painted later and with the incorrect color. I don't know if these pictures add anything to this thread but they may provide a bit more information regarding OTC and warranty replacement blocks. From looking at the pictures, does anyone have anything that they could share regarding this block? Thanks. Stan 8015781-426Block2.jpg (188 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568229 01/28/14 06:09 PM 01/28/14 06:09 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	Back of engine: 8015782-HemiOrangePaint.jpg (151 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568230 01/28/14 06:10 PM 01/28/14 06:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	Side view: 8015786-HemiSide.jpg (157 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568231 01/28/14 06:11 PM 01/28/14 06:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	Casting date: 8015789-HemiCastingDate.jpg (146 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568232 01/28/14 06:12 PM 01/28/14 06:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	VIN pad: 8015792-HemiVINPad.jpg (167 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568233 01/28/14 06:13 PM 01/28/14 06:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,095 A Banana Republic near you.	Quote: I have been reading this thread as well as this one: 70 440 Warranty Block I have this 1970 Hemi block with no VIN stamping. It does have the WT on the front pad. I can find no evidence of a hole in the side of the block for a rivet retaining a metal tag. As you can see from the back of the engine, there appears to be some of the correct Hemi Orange paint remaining. The rest of the orange paint seems to have been painted later and with the incorrect color. I don't know if these pictures add anything to this thread but they may provide a bit more information regarding OTC and warranty replacement blocks. From looking at the pictures, does anyone have anything that they could share regarding this block? Thanks. Stan Stan that tag would only be affixed to an engine that was an assembly , I wouldn't expect to find the tag on a bare block that went over the counter .

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: JohnRR] #1568234 01/28/14 07:12 PM 01/28/14 07:12 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	Stan, See all those Qs and Ps on the side of the block? Look familiar? Your block, like mine, was most likely one available from the old Muscle Stuff catalog. The blocks were rough bored around .016"-.017"ish to allow for a final fit and honing to .020". Which, as I was informed a few years back, was max allowable for Super Stock and probably other classes back in the day. I know you have seen the one in the corner of my garage. Jim 8015873-DCP02511.JPG (176 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: 68jim] #1568235 01/28/14 07:16 PM 01/28/14 07:16 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	Those green paint splotches look familiar as well... 8015879-DCP02509.JPG (189 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: 68jim] #1568236 01/29/14 12:45 AM 01/29/14 12:45 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia HemiStan top fuel
HemiStan top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,672 Virginia	John, thanks for the info. That sounds right. Jim, I definitely remember that beautiful piece of cast iron. Yours is the first one I was thinking of when I was cleaning mine up. Does yours have a "B" stamped on the front pad? Mine does not from what I can tell.

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568237 01/29/14 02:14 AM 01/29/14 02:14 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks H hemicar1971 master
hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks	Mind your Ps and Qs. If I can remember correctly a block bore size can be 70th over stock in Super Stock. Can not remember the crank but it is something like 3.85. Wish I had an old NHRA book to study again. Going only by my memory and it is getting older and older, and I will type this like a question. Did Chrysler not put different letters on the side of the blocks to signify what piston went into each bore when assembling a Hemi at the factory. I thought I remember BCDEF piston sizes. So the Ps and Qs would be for another type of Chrysler description of a bore size of a Hemi Block. 1.26.70 This is a very popular time for Hemi Blocks to be cast for 1971 Vehicles. Maybe 75 percent were cast near this time at the end of January.

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: HemiStan] #1568238 01/29/14 12:25 PM 01/29/14 12:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	Quote: Does yours have a "B" stamped on the front pad? Stan, Aside from the usual WT it also has two "B"s stamped on the pad. 8016877-DCP02516.JPG (189 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: hemicar1971] #1568239 01/29/14 10:40 PM 01/29/14 10:40 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea B5 Bee master
B5 Bee master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,020 Pangaea	Quote: Mind your Ps and Qs. If I can remember correctly a block bore size can be 70th over stock in Super Stock. Can not remember the crank but it is something like 3.85. Wish I had an old NHRA book to study again. Going only by my memory and it is getting older and older, and I will type this like a question. Did Chrysler not put different letters on the side of the blocks to signify what piston went into each bore when assembling a Hemi at the factory. I thought I remember BCDEF piston sizes. So the Ps and Qs would be for another type of Chrysler description of a bore size of a Hemi Block. NHRA allows OEM stroke plus .015, or 3.75 + .015 = 3.765. The extra .015 gives about 1.75 cu in. Every bit helps in SS.

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1568240 02/01/14 12:29 AM 02/01/14 12:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,759 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,759 North Dakota	Quote: As most have seen, this is how most (if not all) replacements looked, I just wonder if there were other ways they were delivered. I bought a bare MP Hemi block ('74 casting) from an individual in 1989. It was in a cardboard box with the Mopar parts tag on it. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: 6PakBee] #1568241 02/01/14 08:41 AM 02/01/14 08:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks H hemicar1971 master
hemicar1971 master H Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,122 Chicago Blackhawks	Quote: Quote: As most have seen, this is how most (if not all) replacements looked, I just wonder if there were other ways they were delivered. I bought a bare MP Hemi block ('74 casting) from an individual in 1989. It was in a cardboard box with the Mopar parts tag on it. I believe 1974 casting date block are the High Nickel content blocks sold by Chrysler through Direct Connection. Around 1978 Mancini Racing sold a bunch of old NOS Hemi Shorts Blocks but they were all gone by the time the Car magazine can to your house. Chrysler started to dump off all the Hemi Stuff. Do you still have the block, if so did you ever weight it. 1971 HEMI E BODY REGISTRY

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: 6PakBee] #1568242 02/01/14 11:53 AM 02/01/14 11:53 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia 68jim super stock
68jim super stock Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,029 Southeast Virginia	[quote I bought a bare MP Hemi block ('74 casting) from an individual in 1989. It was in a cardboard box with the Mopar parts tag on it. I saved the box mine came in but after 40+ years the cardboard is not in the best of shape. 8021266-DCP02520.JPG (179 downloads)

Re: Hemi ID Question [Re: hemicar1971] #1568243 02/01/14 01:07 PM 02/01/14 01:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,759 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,759 North Dakota	Quote: Quote: Quote: As most have seen, this is how most (if not all) replacements looked, I just wonder if there were other ways they were delivered. I bought a bare MP Hemi block ('74 casting) from an individual in 1989. It was in a cardboard box with the Mopar parts tag on it. I believe 1974 casting date block are the High Nickel content blocks sold by Chrysler through Direct Connection. Around 1978 Mancini Racing sold a bunch of old NOS Hemi Shorts Blocks but they were all gone by the time the Car magazine can to your house. Chrysler started to dump off all the Hemi Stuff. Do you still have the block, if so did you ever weight it. I'd have to look in an old MP catalog but MP offered two blocks, the standard and what they called (IIRC) the 'fuel' block. That's what mine is based on the part number. I do still have the block and have never weighed it. I've just never taken the time to try to find out what is different between this block and a standard production block. Sitting next to a '66 casting there are obvious cosmetic differences in the rail area and the wedge motor mount ears but I've never gone any further. "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

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