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5.7 hemi questions? #1566798
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Ok throwing out ideas tonight with dad on his 72 cuda we are building. He can buy a complete 5.7 through his dealership. He and I have never wired up one before so I'm kinda skiddish. He threw out an idea of going with one of the dual 4 intakes. In doing so does anyone know the height of a 5.7? Are they taller than a 340? If we went with a dual 4 set up what other wiring would be needed on 5.7? Naturally I know we will need different motor mounts. The 5.7 he can buy is complete top to pan with exhaust manifolds. It's a brand new one. Was thinking we could sell off the fuel injection stuff to off set the carb related items. Basically he's wanting to do something different. My main concern is the cars all painted so worried about hood clearance issues.

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Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1566799
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You could probably google the engine specs and diagrams of the 5.7 Hemi but I'm sure the deck height is taller than tradional LA blocks. take a look at a 5.7L Hemi piston !

Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1566800
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Why don't you keep the EFI? I kept it on my 55 Dodge P/U and love it. 20 mph on the high way and more than enough power to keep me happy. All you need is a wire harness from Hotwire. They sell an engine management system that includes, the harness, ECU and drive by wire peddle. They will even put a tune in the ECU for you.

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So do you wire engine up seperatly and use original wires for rest of car? How does it hook into the ignition switch? Did you have to run an electric fuel pump? Was it in the tank or exturnal? How about the tranny did you have to wire that up?


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Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1566802
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So do you wire engine up seperatly and use original wires for rest of car? How does it hook into the ignition switch? Did you have to run an electric fuel pump? Was it in the tank or exturnal? How about the tranny did you have to wire that up?




Yes you wire up the engine and use the rest of the original wires. The harness is wired for the ignition switch and instruments. It is also wired for an electric fuel pump. It also has it's own fuse panel for the engine electronics. Since I used the transmission that came with the 5.7 my harness came wired for the transmission. If you use a 727 behind your setup you won't need the transmission wires. I used the fuel tank and fuel pump from the donor truck, so it is in tank. The harness will allow you to use either an external or internal pump. Check Hotwire out here. http://www.hotwireauto.com/?page=sales-dcx
Give them a call, they are very helpful and will take the time to answer all you question. Great guys to work with. One more thing, all the connectors and wires are labeled so installation is dirt simple.

Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: Dabee] #1566803
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I agree on the EFI being a good choice but, I went the carbed route. I used a XV single 4bbl intake and 750 eddy carb. For ignition I used the MSD Hemi 6 setup for the '06 and newer coils. Very clean installation and very simple to hook up. There a only a couple of wires to hook up and you are ready to go. You will need an electric fuel pump for either carb or EFI. Like mentioned above, a 727 or manual trans requires no wiring. The simplest auto overdrive would be a 46RH (A-518) with a hydraulic governor. Only three wires to hook up for overdrive and lock-up torque converter operation. As for hood clearance, you should be fine. You may have to change the factory installed oil pan for on that works with the Cuda.

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Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: 71yelladustr] #1566804
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There is a Guy on here Named Justin. He was willing to modify wiring harnesses for a very fair price at one time. I spoke with him on the phone and he does know what he is doing. His call name on Moparts is wldtm, He is a Super nice Guy! By the way I would stick with the Fuel Injection to get the full benefit of the swap.

Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: sbhpcb] #1566805
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Thanks I'll check that out. I know the fuel injection would be nice to drive but dads also thinking the dual 4 would be a cool factor item. He will never drive it cross country. Probably longest would be 5-6 hour drive one way if that.


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Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1566806
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you will not get much out of the stock fuel injection stuff,as mentioned spend the money with Hotwire and have them build you a plug and play harness.


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Another plus for EFI is you don't have to worry about running today's 10% ethanol fuel. On hot day that grap likes to boil in the float bowels. I had problems all the time with my carbureted 512 stocker doing that. Also every time the temperature changed my tune went out the window and I had an off throttle stumble I could never quit tune out. I finally found a local station that sells 100% 92 octane gas. The stumble is gone, the car stays in tune better and the fuel doesn't boil in the float bowls. You wont have those problems with EFI.

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Thanks I'll check that out. I know the fuel injection would be nice to drive but dads also thinking the dual 4 would be a cool factor item. He will never drive it cross country. Probably longest would be 5-6 hour drive one way if that.




I don't know what this 2x4 intake looks like but if it's a single plane you could have injector bungs installed in the runners and run dual throttle bodies.

Cake and eat it too.

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Re: 5.7 hemi questions? [Re: hotairballoonpilot] #1566810
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If he is buying a New 5.7. Be aware that the 09 up engines use a different intake than the early 5.7.


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Yes it is a new one. I believe it's a replacement for trucks. I'm figuring the oil pans gotta be changed out. Any ideas if pick up tubes are same or need to be changed like you would from sat a 360 truck to car 360?


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Just talked to hot wire. Sounds like the harness would be like 995.00. Depending on what tranny n year engine it's depends on computer programming cost. Said he needs to buy from o2 sensors and gas pedel. Said they use factory switch but has to put like a push button on dash to push after switch is turned on. What has anyone done for a pedel?


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Just talked to hot wire. Sounds like the harness would be like 995.00. Depending on what tranny n year engine it's depends on computer programming cost. Said he needs to buy from o2 sensors and gas pedel. Said they use factory switch but has to put like a push button on dash to push after switch is turned on. What has anyone done for a pedel?




Call these guys, they sell a 5.7 Hemi engine management kit that has everything you will need including the drive by wire accelerator paddle. They use the Hotwire harness. They are also great guys to work with and will answer all your questions.

http://www.modernmuscleperformance.com/Mopar_Performance_Parts_s/165.htm

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Just talked to hot wire. Sounds like the harness would be like 995.00. Depending on what tranny n year engine it's depends on computer programming cost. Said he needs to buy from o2 sensors and gas pedel. Said they use factory switch but has to put like a push button on dash to push after switch is turned on. What has anyone done for a pedel?




Call these guys, they sell a 5.7 Hemi engine management kit that has everything you will need including the drive by wire accelerator paddle. They use the Hotwire harness. They are also great guys to work with and will answer all your questions.

http://www.modernmuscleperformance.com/Mopar_Performance_Parts_s/165.htm




I messages them last night to see what they say as far as cost and entire parts list/prices. Now to convince dad it's really what he wants.


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