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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Uhcoog1] #1566746
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whats wrong with these?
http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-K700528

moogs that use a hard plastic/nylon for the bushing. no give and the right length. the linked pic is app correct for 73 dart according to moog. This exact PN or a slightly longer link works great on for the RSB on a slightly lowered 2gn neon ;-)

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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Uhcoog1] #1566747
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UHCOOG1 -- Thank YOU for bringing forth this subject and the available products. The article on weight balancing effect of the sway bar end links is very good... similar to what I've tried to explain. The point that I've tried to bring forth is, first, balance the 4-corners side-to-side, best as possible, without the sway bar end links attached... then... attach the end links so to avoid any uneven pre-load per side that would non-favorably effect the corner weights of the car. Keep in mind, also that the front and rear weights will basically be pre-set as % front/rear, but the side-to-side weights can be adjusted to have each other as close as possible.

Another factor with weight balancing, is with the re-positioning of the battery (in the trunk)... I had found notable corner weight differences by progressively changing the location.. at one time, I had the battery centrally located in the center above the differential (under the rear speaker tray).. looked good and out of the way.. but we changed it with better/eqaulized corner weight distribution by placing it, ultimately, in the far passenger rear corner of the trunk... surprising what a difference in corner weight % it made!

I'm going to look up and see what adjustable end links would fit my stock-type bars (custom bars/both solid... 1.25" front, 1.0" rear... had these made for me back in the early '80s).

PS: Setting body/ride height by fender measuring and/or suspension measuring points should not over-ride corner weight balancing for best handling results. The differences in fender heights will be minimal side-to-side, and nearly un-noticable to the eye, but the best weight balance will result in the better handling potential to the driver of the car. In fact, a steering re-alignment may also be required after the corner balancing is set.

Another PS: IF the car is going to be making predominantly left or right hand turns, such as for an oval track, then you could always reconsider the side-to-side balance and pre-load of the sway bars to have a betterv result for suich oval track turning. What I've been discussing all above is the neutral balance for multiple left/right hand manuevers, say, for a pylon autocross and road course with twisty turns.



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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Trojmn] #1566748
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Trjnmn -- the Moogs are durable parts and Moog carries a high-quality aftermarket reputation for the great majority of their parts. The only issue here, is that they are stock-type (actually better than stock) replacement parts... BUT.. they don't offer the "adjustability" in their length for equalizing the pre-load if so desired. With the factory type design, using washer spacers to equalize the end link attachments will get better finite results. Again, this is just "fine-tuning" the setup. How much will someone notice?... When fractions of seconds add up, that will be the difference.



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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Mopar Mitch] #1566749
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yup reading fail on my part... i was thinking this was just effort to be rid of the soft rubber/urethane ends. yes proper length and all that. As for tunning to that nth degree. I know my problem is still the nut behind the wheel. ;-) but im working on it.

I like the rounded ends on the Moog/OEM neon part to allow for worry free articulation. From the pic (if that is at ride height) it looks as though the f150 ends could be a touch too long for optimum.

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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Trojmn] #1566750
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whats wrong with these?
http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=MOOG-K700528

moogs that use a hard plastic/nylon for the bushing. no give and the right length. the linked pic is app correct for 73 dart according to moog. This exact PN or a slightly longer link works great on for the RSB on a slightly lowered 2gn neon ;-)


Those still put the link in a bind with the control arm. THAT is another advantage to the socket type.


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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: 72Swinger] #1566751
01/23/14 11:47 PM
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Chris Alston just came out with some nice ones. http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/103758-New-Chris-Alston-front-sway-bar-endlinks
http://www.cachassisworks.com/c-1324-endlinks.aspx
http://www.cachassisworks.com/images/Product/large/5752-00-472.jpg





I REALLY like them but....Wish they were greaseable? I wonder how long they will last not being greaseable and uncovered?

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: brads70] #1566752
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Moog version is greaseable.


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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Trojmn] #1566753
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Trgnmn -- There is a common test to see if the "nut-behind-the-wheel" is functioning at high levels... very simply, allow another different "nut-behind-the-wheel" to go into action in the driver's seat with your vehicle, preferably at a timed autocross or road course event, and compare the times against each other. This common test may have to be repeated a few times to conclude before making further adjustments.



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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Mopar Mitch] #1566754
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Trgnmn -- There is a common test to see if the "nut-behind-the-wheel" is functioning at high levels... very simply, allow another different "nut-behind-the-wheel" to go into action in the driver's seat with your vehicle, preferably at a timed autocross or road course event, and compare the times against each other. This common test may have to be repeated a few times to conclude before making further adjustments.







were getting abit OT here

yes indeed. My strategy the last couple years have been co-driving. not only for feedback and reps, but there's more going on and its better for me to have less time to overthink things. Started on a regular '03 neon and learned efficient low power hopelessly outclassed momentum driving > then decently competitive SRT4 > now I'm planning to play with the barracuda to learn me some RWD after having tasted it in a FRS and MR2.

I'm not a terrible driver,I'll occasionally mix it up at the top 10% locally. I'm just not at the pointy end of the talent. My big thing is consistency. If there is a loose part for that I'm all ears. Generally I turn the seat seat time dial.

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Uhcoog1] #1566755
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To further answer the question above - the two pivoting points allow for the 'mounts' to be mis-aligned, but doesn't allow for any slack. My issue before was the rubber bushings could only be so tight, otherwise it would 'bind' the suspension, not allowing full compression. So consequently, there was a significant amount of take-up and compression of the rubber bushings before the sway bar was ever torqued, which resulted in excessive body roll (even though the total wheel rate was high enough).




thanks for answering the question, curious what stud size are those?

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: dangina] #1566756
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Uhcoog1] #1566757
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Bought these today:


Side by side pictures:



Will let y'all know how these fit




I just picked up the moog ones. I just got one for now. It looks a little better by design than the one you got as you could trim the studs if you wanted as they have a hex on the shoulder to hold onto when tightening the nuts. I will take it apart when I get a chance . When I removed the rubber boot I can see a round clip holding the ball in the socket. I want to take it apart to see if I will melt anything welding to it? I need to shorten it for my car. Might make it adjustable while I'm at it. Great idea thanks for posting this!

Edit, These do not come apart. What I thought was a clip is actually the area they peen/press over to hold it all together.

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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Uhcoog1] #1566758
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Also- the decision for me was between what I bought for $60 and these:
http://www.powergridinc.com/swaybar2_big.asp

They have a nice tech write up on pre-loading suspension with the adjustable links:
http://www.powergridinc.com/tech.asp

Talk about ease of adjusting!




I talked to the guy (his name is chip) on the phone for about 15min today. Seems that they have tried to make these work on mopars but we don't have enough room between the top on the sway bar to the bottom of the lower control arm bracket. He said it requires about 5-6" of room but we only have about 3". I think I'm gonna order the moog ones right now..

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: dangina] #1566759
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I bought one of the moogs and shortened it to 4". They will work for me now.


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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: 72Swinger] #1566760
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I bought one of the moogs and shortened it to 4". They will work for me now.




Did you fully disassemble them first? How did you go with heat?

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: V8val] #1566761
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Yeah pull off the boots. I used some 5/8" id 1" od tube with a hole drilled for a plug weld and also welded both ends. It cooked the grease out but thats what zerks are for. They move exactly as they did before after I welded it up then tossed it into a snow drift.


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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: 72Swinger] #1566762
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Looks great!

Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: 72Swinger] #1566763
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What's the stud length on those? Trying to get an idea of what minimum length is needed.

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Dang, another project that I need to do!


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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them? [Re: Consulier] #1566765
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What's the stud length on those? Trying to get an idea of what minimum length is needed.


stud length is 1.5". My mounting flat to flat is just a hair over 4" and stud tip to tip is a hair over 7". A person should have no trouble making these 1/4-1/2" shorter than this if needed.


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