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Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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I need solid sway bar end links. Made with heim joints or ball joints. Don't have time to fab any of my own. Who makes them? Need some by Friday...
-'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar
-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Lots of Rams come with them.
Be nice if there was something like the old TRW chassis spec book out there. Where is gives all the pertinent specifications on various chassis parts so you can adapt to you use something OEM and cheap.
That's how I sorted out the disc brakes I put into my 64 300, looked at ball joint tapers, tie rod tapers, etc to see what would work.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Man thanks fellas!
I'll probably start out trying a couple 'factory' pieces. In particular:
Moog K750074 - shipping package says 9.8" long
Moog K750362 - shipping package says 14" long
If I can't find a cheap oem part, then I'll call the aftermarket guys and see who can ship overnight.
anyone know of any other OEM dual Tie rod end types?
Last edited by uhcoog1; 01/22/14 10:08 PM.
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Bought these today:  5.5" from mount to mount:  Side by side pictures:  Will let y'all know how these fit
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Just put these in. Wow, what a difference! -Less body roll -Quicker 'set' in the corners These are longer than factory and aftermarket links (5.3" vs ~4-5"?). I was concerned it could cause clearance issues where the bar goes through the K member. Turned out there was no clearance issues anywhere for me (FYI - I have spacers under my bar bushings already - was needed when I first put bar in). In my opinion, this is a must do for anyone who wants immediate response from their sway bar. Cheap $60 modification that I would recommend to everyone.   To further answer the question above - the two pivoting points allow for the 'mounts' to be mis-aligned, but doesn't allow for any slack. My issue before was the rubber bushings could only be so tight, otherwise it would 'bind' the suspension, not allowing full compression. So consequently, there was a significant amount of take-up and compression of the rubber bushings before the sway bar was ever torqued, which resulted in excessive body roll (even though the total wheel rate was high enough).
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Last design we used on Tim's Valiant was an aluminum spacer and delrin ends. There wasn't much slop with that setup.
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa...track_day_prep/
I believe it! Was this picture at ride height or at full droop?
My issue was at ride height, the LCA bracket wasn't on plane with the sway bar. When I tightened everything down, the ride height raised an inch! The bushings were forcing the LCA mounting point on plane, which was forcing the LCA down.
Any bushing is going to impart extra roll resistance the further it gets away from parallel. If I had a bigger TB, and the sway bar mounting points were on plane with each other at ride height, then I wouldn't 'need' the pivoting links. But, given the factory sway bar LCA mounting points are 'on plane' at factory ride height, it's a given that they will be angled at anything lower. Of course, if you mount your own mounting points on the LCA's, you can weld them on plane at ride height, and it won't be as big of an issue. You WILL incur extra roll resistance the further you get from ride height die to 'binding' roll bar bushings, though I don't know how much (in my application, it changed the ride height 1", which is very significant).
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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I think worst case scenario someone could cut the center link and re-weld it shorter. There is about 1.7" of 'bar' between the ends. I wouldn't weld on the ends, so at the most you could maybe shorten it 1" and still keep heat off the ends (and be able to fit your welding tip in-between it all).
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Ordering some Friday.
FYI. Rockauto has the Greasable Moog versions for like $24.
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Nice work on this.
I will have to trim the upper stud after install, but no big deal.
I was going to keep an eye on the upper stud on mine. See if it shows any sign of making contact.
Also, my lower stud is 4" off the ground.
The only problem with trimming it is you lose the 8mm cut end which keeps the post still while you tighten the provided nylon nut.
Yeah that is tricky. I bet when you get it on the ground it might be close. I would cut if need be, grind a small area of threads off so you can grab it with a vise grip. After you grind, you can always run a tap over the old threads to clean it up.
The Moog version did not have the end cuts so....maybe it locks itself in place when it starts to snug up to the bar. We will see.
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Something to consider: I've had the 4-corners of the suspension balanced as close as possible side-to-side by adjusting the TBs and adding shims under the leafs (all this was done as though the car would be in race condition: driver, ~1/3 tank of gas, empty trunk, etc). We found that balancing the corner weights of the car with the sway bar end links disconnected would make a difference, then... re-attach the end links and make them equal in length with the end links... by adding bushing washers to the end link as needed. I've only used the factory design end links, so again, I'd use washers as spacers to equalize the end link distances, as well as equalize the torsional effect, as the car would sit at rest, of the sway bar AFTER the car was balanced side-to-side. Without the washers and NOT being concerned of the corner weights of the car, the sway bar will have an affect on the corner weights of the car.
So, having adjustable end links to equalize the distances, at rest, is an advantage in end link design. In other words, you don't want one end link pre-tensioning that side of the car over the other side of the car... it causes a small amount of pre-weight transfer that you don't want to have.
Setting up your car with respect to this matter will simply help another increment in overall "fine-tuning" of the handling.
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Re: Solid sway bar end links? Who makes them?
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Something to consider: I've had the 4-corners of the suspension balanced as close as possible side-to-side by adjusting the TBs and adding shims under the leafs (all this was done as though the car would be in race condition: driver, ~1/3 tank of gas, empty trunk, etc). We found that balancing the corner weights of the car with the sway bar end links disconnected would make a difference, then... re-attach the end links and make them equal in length with the end links... by adding bushing washers to the end link as needed. I've only used the factory design end links, so again, I'd use washers as spacers to equalize the end link distances, as well as equalize the torsional effect, as the car would sit at rest, of the sway bar AFTER the car was balanced side-to-side. Without the washers and NOT being concerned of the corner weights of the car, the sway bar will have an affect on the corner weights of the car.
So, having adjustable end links to equalize the distances, at rest, is an advantage in end link design. In other words, you don't want one end link pre-tensioning that side of the car over the other side of the car... it causes a small amount of pre-weight transfer that you don't want to have.
Setting up your car with respect to this matter will simply help another increment in overall "fine-tuning" of the handling.
Thanks for sharing, Mitch!
I wish I had scales, I would have shimmed while on the scales to make sure everything was correct. Instead, I measured ride height before disconnecting the bar, measured it again after disconnecting the bar, and measured it a 3rd time after putting in the new links. It was the same on all 3 measurements. That being said, I had previously set ride height without the sway bar connected, and then shimmed the sway bar to ensure there was no preload.
Also- the decision for me was between what I bought for $60 and these:
http://www.powergridinc.com/swaybar2_big.asp
They have a nice tech write up on pre-loading suspension with the adjustable links:
http://www.powergridinc.com/tech.asp
Talk about ease of adjusting!
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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