What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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Hi All, My 505" is overdue for an oil change. I recently bought a 5 gallon drum of Delo 400 for my diesel pick-up, and recall that some years ago, there was a lot of support for running diesel oil (Rotella, Delo etc) in engines with solid lifters due to a higher zinc content... if I remember correctly that is. So, what's the current view on running 'diesel' oils in these engines? (even though Delo is now sold as a 'mixed fleet' oil). Cheers!
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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The zinc/phosphorus is still around 1200 ppm so unless you are running a flat tappet with roller cam spring pressures you should be good to go. I don't think 70's oil had any more than that. Go check out Bob is the Oil Guy for everything you never knew about oil. http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/Kevin
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I've been running it in everything that moves for 20 plus years. Mowers, ATV's, 17 cars and light trucks, Motorcycle, Class 8 truck, you name it. A couple of years ago though they discontinued 5w30 diesel-spec so I have had to switch back to gasoline-spec for winter use. Summer I have been using the 10-30 and 15-40, whatever is sitting on the shelf in the shop. I have a high performance street bike and there is no screwing around there with the bike crowd: the goto oil is Rotella 15-40. As far as any sort of racing/recreation application, let me put it to you this way: if diesel-spec oil is good enough to run in a 15 liter engine pulling 100,000 plus pounds up 10% grades in 100 degree heat for 250 hour change intervals it can handle a few seconds of 1/4 mile abuse. As far as the percieved need for Zinc content I'd rather not comment on it, as I just simply find it irrelavant knowing what diesel-spec oil is subjected to from personal experience:
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I've been running it in everything that moves for 20 plus years. Mowers, ATV's, 17 cars and light trucks, Motorcycle, Class 8 truck, you name it.
A couple of years ago though they discontinued 5w30 diesel-spec so I have had to switch back to gasoline-spec for winter use. Summer I have been using the 10-30 and 15-40, whatever is sitting on the shelf in the shop. I have a high performance street bike and there is no screwing around there with the bike crowd: the goto oil is Rotella 15-40.
As far as any sort of racing/recreation application, let me put it to you this way: if diesel-spec oil is good enough to run in a 15 liter engine pulling 100,000 plus pounds up 10% grades in 100 degree heat for 250 hour change intervals it can handle a few seconds of 1/4 mile abuse.
As far as the percieved need for Zinc content I'd rather not comment on it, as I just simply find it irrelavant knowing what diesel-spec oil is subjected to from personal experience:
I agree, I run diesel oil in everything I own. My uncle got me started on it when I bought my first car. He used to build short track engines for several local guys and always ran 15-40 diesel oil in them and never had a failure. He said you could tear one down and it was as clean as the day you put it together
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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they have reduced the zinc for the dpf and cats that they run on new diesels. They have emissions on them just like a gas motor so it was necessary. I personally run race oil.
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I've been running it in everything that moves for 20 plus years. Mowers, ATV's, 17 cars and light trucks, Motorcycle, Class 8 truck, you name it.
A couple of years ago though they discontinued 5w30 diesel-spec so I have had to switch back to gasoline-spec for winter use. Summer I have been using the 10-30 and 15-40, whatever is sitting on the shelf in the shop. I have a high performance street bike and there is no screwing around there with the bike crowd: the goto oil is Rotella 15-40.
As far as any sort of racing/recreation application, let me put it to you this way: if diesel-spec oil is good enough to run in a 15 liter engine pulling 100,000 plus pounds up 10% grades in 100 degree heat for 250 hour change intervals it can handle a few seconds of 1/4 mile abuse.
As far as the percieved need for Zinc content I'd rather not comment on it, as I just simply find it irrelavant knowing what diesel-spec oil is subjected to from personal experience:
Diesel oil is designed for engines that go down the road at under 3000 RPM. What effect will that have on an 8000 rpm race engine? Will it have sufficient anti-foam qualitys? Has it been tested in high RPM applications?
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I'm using it in my 2002 Ram and my son's Jeep,and in the race car too.I use either Rotella or Mobil Delvac.Ram has 188K on it,Jeep has 175K,and no problems in the race car.
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I've been running it in everything that moves for 20 plus years. Mowers, ATV's, 17 cars and light trucks, Motorcycle, Class 8 truck, you name it.
A couple of years ago though they discontinued 5w30 diesel-spec so I have had to switch back to gasoline-spec for winter use. Summer I have been using the 10-30 and 15-40, whatever is sitting on the shelf in the shop. I have a high performance street bike and there is no screwing around there with the bike crowd: the goto oil is Rotella 15-40.
As far as any sort of racing/recreation application, let me put it to you this way: if diesel-spec oil is good enough to run in a 15 liter engine pulling 100,000 plus pounds up 10% grades in 100 degree heat for 250 hour change intervals it can handle a few seconds of 1/4 mile abuse.
As far as the percieved need for Zinc content I'd rather not comment on it, as I just simply find it irrelavant knowing what diesel-spec oil is subjected to from personal experience:
Diesel oil is designed for engines that go down the road at under 3000 RPM. What effect will that have on an 8000 rpm race engine? Will it have sufficient anti-foam qualitys? Has it been tested in high RPM applications?
most diesel I see is specked for everything turbos included.
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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I am not an expert just a Chrysler product abuser for most of my life so take this with a grain of salt. I have tried all kinds of oil from used redline out of my old employer's SCCA Trans Am race car to Wally Demarto 5-w30 to Kendall to Mobil 1 synthetic to the cheapest fleet brand they sell out here in ranching country. I never have had an oil related failure. This is all stuff that is kept below 7000ish rpm. Maybe 72-7300 depending on which tach you believe. With my new 511 I might get some ZDDP to add to the fleet oil and will definitely let it warm up to at least 120 before beating on it. Again, take my experience with a grain of salt.
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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Caterpiller still sells the good ole genuine CI-4 "off road" high ash content tree killing 15w40 that the EPA hates. If I still had my Cummins, that would be in it. This is the stuff we use to go 15K miles in a diesel with and not bat an eye.
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Re: What's the current view on 'diesel' oil?
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My race engines get GAS style oil... my diesel gets DIESEL style oil... diesels dont turn 9000 rpm(I have turned my race engine to 9600)... the thing with my race engine is it starts at 5600 and goes up(never seeing below that point) a diesel is a low rpm engine... they both have a SAE standard but those standards are different... if I were running a flat tappet at high rpm(7500 and up) I would be running gas SAE oil with a zinc additive... but on a FT I would be running a zinc additive no matter how high OR low I turned it... that just me... everyone has their choice
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