Cam Degree Question
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In my dart I have a 360 with flat top pistons, Edelbrok 63cc heads, ld340 and 650 double pumper. .528 MP solid lift cam. I installed the cam at 110 centerline, per the instructions that cam came with. However to get the 110 centerline I had to advance the cam about 6-7 degrees. The engine does not idle like a had expected. The idle is very tame, it does not have the big lopey idle that i expected. The stock 340 came in the T/A has a meaner idle than that of the dart. Could this be a cam degree issue?
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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It has been several months back since I assembled the engine. I installed the cam straight up, then degreed it, it was at 103. Then I put in my offset keys and adjusted the offset on the timing chain. So yes i did retard the shaft 7 degrees. Moving the cam that much just to have it the required centerline at the time seemed excessive, and I checked and double checked the numbers and figured I would be OK.
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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did all the other(measured) specs, lift etc match what was on the cam card
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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The crank sprocket does have 3 key ways -4,0,+4 I had to change the keyways in order change the centerline to 110. My valve lash is at .017
Also the specs did match the cam card.
Last edited by 69swinger340; 11/24/08 05:02 PM.
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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.528/.528, 284 duration, 241 @50, 110 centerline
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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11/25/08 01:24 AM
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Quote:
.528/.528, 284 duration, 241 @50, 110 centerline
Wow, many things to cover here!
First those sound like advertised install specs; what are your ACTUAL install specs?
You shouldn't have to change the crank gear location. There are offset keyways in the CAM gear end for that.(+/- degree's, I forget the pt.# but still available)
I'm VERY anxious to blame the MPP "cam cards" for your error, but I'll withhold that for now. That cam should sound pretty agressive (i.e. lopey), especially in a SB.
And your lash is too tight for an initial install break-in. Even if 0.017" is COLD lash. Put wear on it for at least 500+ miles with it a bit loose. Heat cycles will help SET the necessary lash. (Heat cycles does NOT mean run it in your driveway ; you need to load the engine!)
Honestly, I think you botched your degree job.
I'm not bashing you, nor want to give a negative vibe, but maybe you should re-visit that cam install.
Good luck...
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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11/25/08 01:44 AM
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just a quick note..
make sure you are on the intake lobe and not the exhaust lobe...
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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The LSA, (lobe separation angle) dictates whether or not you'll have a choppy idle. What is the LSA?
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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First, you had to advance the cam to reach 110 because MPs quality control is not really good. Not your mistake, and I commend you for degreeing it properly. Second, the .528 is a fairly mild solid. It has about the same duration as the hydraulic 484 cam, and after lash, not much more lift. So in a 360 (longer stroke) and with good static compression, it will idle like a stocker, or close. Nothing wrong with the cam at all other than the manufacturing quality.
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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First off the came was installed at 110, and I had to use the different key way on the crank sprocket because I couldnt get enough adjustment out of the offset keys on the cam.
I intially set the lash to 028/032 for the break in and the first 200 miles, then I tightened them down to 017
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Re: Cam Degree Question
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Also, I know that the .528 is a mild cam, but I wasnt expecting it to be this calm
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