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New Gen Hemi ? #1556759 12/31/13 11:43 AM 12/31/13 11:43 AM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 OP master
fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	I keep seeing and hearing how wonderful they are.I only have seen one that impressed me N/a 450+ci on racegas 850ish. I think there cool,but have nothing for the old wedge head w8 or w9. Anyone know of any more powerful then 850hp n/a ?

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556760 12/31/13 12:16 PM 12/31/13 12:16 PM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	For all out power n/a a well built old engine, B1, w8-9, stage v etc can make better numbers. But if you're looking at pump gas and no maintenance hyd.roller power they rule. They're already heads available to support 1000hp easily, just need a 1/4" taller deck block IMO. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1556761 12/31/13 12:30 PM 12/31/13 12:30 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas TheOtherDodge master
TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Keep in mind with the Gen III Hemi, we are talking about using a stock block and stock replacement heads that can make 700 hp N/A for half the cost of a W8/W9 motor. These stock blocks can be found all over the place now.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1556762 12/31/13 12:39 PM 12/31/13 12:39 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556763 12/31/13 06:37 PM 12/31/13 06:37 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO The eagle heads can handle more lift. Longer valves. SDConcepts has a way of dealing with valve geometry. Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1556764 12/31/13 08:42 PM 12/31/13 08:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 OP master
fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Quote: Keep in mind with the Gen III Hemi, we are talking about using a stock block and stock replacement heads that can make 700 hp N/A for half the cost of a W8/W9 motor. These stock blocks can be found all over the place now. I know of a stock block indy headed sb that makes that.The indy head is like ancient technology. A w8/w9 is about 20g's depending on how hard you go.I think 10 grand and a new hemi wont get no where near 700hp jmo.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556765 12/31/13 08:45 PM 12/31/13 08:45 PM
Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND fishy340 OP master
fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Quote: The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ?

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556766 12/31/13 09:00 PM 12/31/13 09:00 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: Quote: The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ? No idea, probably alot, point is the best Wwhatever head won't flow what a Gen III factory head will, take a look at the Thitek HEMI heads, they're even better. A 700 HP stock block LA engine is a time bomb, not so with a Gen III. The W head recipe for HP has been around along time and has proven results, for sure. The Gen III hasn't so it's alot more unknowns. I don't know if you head over to the LXForums much but that's the place to look for Gen III tech and capabilities, pose your same question over there and I guarantee you'll get plenty of answers (some hostile ones but still answers)

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556767 12/31/13 10:13 PM 12/31/13 10:13 PM
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fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	I understand what you mean but its 2014 in a few hr's and i beleive these heads or new gen hemi stuff has been around since atleast 06. I guess i wanna see these things try and do what a w8 or w9 head can do power wise. Brett Millers w8's will swing right past 1000hp,and thats from Tony @ BES own mouth.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556768 12/31/13 10:14 PM 12/31/13 10:14 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ? Got to remember that some contestants get really good deals on some stuff and I'll bet having BES push your product gets you even more discount! IMO and I'm no expert, is that the jesel setup overkill. Depending on were you get your parts you will be about the same as a W series engine. The W series stuff is drying up. The advantage of going to G3 is the availability. break something and you have access to new stuff. Disadvantages of G3 are: Not to many have built them but it is slowly getting there. Factory support is very limited. No R3 style type block for the G3. Cost on some new products. Matt Last edited by MattW; 01/01/14 12:50 PM.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556769 01/01/14 05:32 AM 01/01/14 05:32 AM
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Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Quote: I understand what you mean but its 2014 in a few hr's and i beleive these heads or new gen hemi stuff has been around since atleast 06. I guess i wanna see these things try and do what a w8 or w9 head can do power wise. Brett Millers w8's will swing right past 1000hp,and thats from Tony @ BES own mouth. Kinda funny to hear all these guys talk about 1000hp small blocks of ANY brand. Seems everybody has one......... I have been around this stuff a LONG time and I have yet to see those numbers, or even close on a legit dyno. Also seen LOTS of 1000hp small blocks get their asses handed to them by 850hp ones as well.........just sayin........LOL!!! That's why we don't race dynos Monte

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Monte_Smith] #1556770 01/01/14 11:04 AM 01/01/14 11:04 AM
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fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	This is true Monte and i am fortunat to know of 3 and there all chevy pieces.My bud Flex,Butch Kemps built here by Jeremy went 8.11 & 14 @ 171 in a pretty heavy stang is here in ny again.And the other is kinda on the quit tip.:)

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556771 01/01/14 02:28 PM 01/01/14 02:28 PM
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hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost. Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500? 7980170-436dyno.jpg (151 downloads) Jerry Williams.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: hemidup] #1556772 01/01/14 02:47 PM 01/01/14 02:47 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	IF I were to pick up a 5.7, what are the piston sizes for a bore job on the stock sleeves(whats the max bore) and still be strong enough to live at say 7000 rpm on pump gas compression

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556773 01/01/14 03:35 PM 01/01/14 03:35 PM
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scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,560 New Smyrna Beach FL	I would like to see that eagle head on a good bench most eagle heads ive seen go around 335 to 340 and thats with a 2.10 valve that's cnc ported heads out of arringtons not blown up numbers .As for the bore the older blocks are thicker then the new ones the new ones your going to get a 20 over bore and still get a good ring package

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556774 01/01/14 03:35 PM 01/01/14 03:35 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: This is true Monte and i am fortunat to know of 3 and there all chevy pieces.My bud Flex,Butch Kemps built here by Jeremy went 8.11 & 14 @ 171 in a pretty heavy stang is here in ny again.And the other is kinda on the quit tip.:) I thought you were comparng them to W engines? SB Chevy's are in a whole other league with the 50+ years of aftermarket behind them, just look at the 600" SB thread. I could be wrong but my guess is you're not going to make anywhere near 1000HP on a conventional SB Chevy (nothing wrong with that, look at my posts in the 600" SB thread)

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556775 01/01/14 04:51 PM 01/01/14 04:51 PM
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Monte_Smith master M Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,890 North Alabama	Am I saying you CAN'T make 1000hp with a smallblock, no not at all. But you won't make near that with run of the mill VERY good parts. In the realm of 400-450ish inch small blocks, to make near 1000hp will take some very exotic stuff. Mosez heads on an LS, maybe SBX heads on a conventional motor, possibly Victor Gliddens or Bennet billets on a Ford. As for a Mopar, I have NEVER seen a 1000hp wedge small block. Could you do it with the P-7s or something......I don't know, maybe. But regardless of brand, a REAL 1000hp small block is going to be a very exotic piece with killer heads, a 1" lift cam, tons of compression ,sheetmetal intake, two carbs, etc, etc. In the more run of the mill motors, like 99% of your average guys are going to build, if you have one that makes 850, a LEGIT 850, it's a GOOD one. I am sure many guys can produce 1000hp dyno sheets, but that's just a piece of paper, likely from a "happy" dyno. Show me the numbers on the track for the weight of the car and then we will talk power. Like I said, seen MANY an 850hp small block hand it to a supposed 1000hp small block. But this not only applies to small blocks........seems everybody also has a 1200hp big block these days to. Seem to be so common, I guess you can pick one up at Target.......LOL!!! Monte

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556776 01/01/14 04:54 PM 01/01/14 04:54 PM
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hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	Quote: IF I were to pick up a 5.7, what are the piston sizes for a bore job on the stock sleeves(whats the max bore) and still be strong enough to live at say 7000 rpm on pump gas compression .060" overbore has been no problem for the majority of the 5.7 blocks and certain blocks I've checked can handle .080". Jerry Williams.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556777 01/01/14 05:08 PM 01/01/14 05:08 PM
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jim sciortino top fuel J Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,028 Trumbull,CT.	Quote: How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO How many W8s has BES built for Engine Masters competition??? Gen 3s are nice, but until a few more highend parts become available, a Gen 3 would have a hard time surpassing a W8 in an all out effort.......unless there is Gen 3 hardware out there capable of 1050+ N/A power that I haven't seen.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556778 01/01/14 05:10 PM 01/01/14 05:10 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: I would like to see that eagle head on a good bench most eagle heads ive seen go around 335 to 340 and thats with a 2.10 valve that's cnc ported heads out of arringtons not blown up numbers .As for the bore the older blocks are thicker then the new ones the new ones your going to get a 20 over bore and still get a good ring package I'll bump my post about the eagle on a 1020 with a 4.00 bore fixture. Matt

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: jim sciortino] #1556779 01/01/14 06:21 PM 01/01/14 06:21 PM
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fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	What im saying in a nut shell is,i guess i want to see more then the one i know of in a car and built by BES.I love what the kid did by going huge cubes and tons of compression to build the beast.I'f one can hang with the wedge stuff it would be nice to see.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556780 01/01/14 06:31 PM 01/01/14 06:31 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost. I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556781 01/01/14 06:35 PM 01/01/14 06:35 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost. I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes. Blaine are you thinking blower or turbo

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556782 01/01/14 06:38 PM 01/01/14 06:38 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Turbo for sure. I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup. I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556783 01/01/14 06:41 PM 01/01/14 06:41 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Turbo for sure. I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup. I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running. Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556784 01/01/14 06:49 PM 01/01/14 06:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Quote: Quote: Turbo for sure. I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup. I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running. Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage! I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556785 01/01/14 07:04 PM 01/01/14 07:04 PM
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MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: Quote: Quote: Turbo for sure. I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup. I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running. Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage! I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard. Thanks... I will start looking with interest in the spring.. unless someone sets me on to one in the next couple of weeks... after that I'm headed to Texas for a couple of months

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: hemidup] #1556786 01/01/14 08:31 PM 01/01/14 08:31 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,396 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula I Live Here
Dragula I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,396 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost. Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500? So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost? Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip... '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Dragula] #1556787 01/02/14 12:05 AM 01/02/14 12:05 AM
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hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	Quote: Quote: Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost. Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500? So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost? Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip... I stated 10.0:1 compression in my original post. And yes, the engine made the 660+hp n/a. It will have an Indy ModMan with a ProCharger cog drive F1C and shooting for 17 psi of boost. Jerry Williams.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Dragula] #1556788 01/02/14 12:17 AM 01/02/14 12:17 AM
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hemidup super stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 833 MN	Quote: Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip... 2.2L Whipple? How about a 4.0L on a Gen 3 Hemi. Just got to finish it up. The "Snake" himself was sure impressed with it and all the new technology thats out there now days. 7981320-larrys2011dyno032.jpg (92 downloads) Jerry Williams.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: hemidup] #1556789 01/02/14 12:50 AM 01/02/14 12:50 AM
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Abodyjohn88 member A Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 180 long island newyork	Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Abodyjohn88] #1556790 01/02/14 01:27 AM 01/02/14 01:27 AM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	Quote: Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp No not yet! We need someone with deep pockets to step up and do it. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1556791 01/02/14 03:28 AM 01/02/14 03:28 AM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Here is a thread from LX forums that shows what is basically the latest most cutting edge Gen III stuff http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php/345874-Whats-going-on-at-PWR-11-13-13 I think Barton has some pretty sweet stuff coming out of his shop as well $$$$$$$. I only care about power per dollar and reliability these days from my Mopar really, and the Gen III fits the bill for me on paper once you get past the efi buy in and the supporting stuff like headers,oil pan etc. How exotic it is doesnt really blow my skirt up. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1556792 01/02/14 10:57 AM 01/02/14 10:57 AM
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fishy340 OP master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	Yellow bullet Chris Uratchko's n/a section has the baddest new gen i know of. i wish i knew how to paste the thread on this cell phone.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556793 01/02/14 04:03 PM 01/02/14 04:03 PM
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rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,652 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Where is that article about the G3 hemi that made the big hp a few months ago? It was impressive. 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: rickseeman] #1556794 01/02/14 04:25 PM 01/02/14 04:25 PM
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rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,652 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Found it http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa..._2/viewall.html 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: rickseeman] #1556795 01/09/14 02:58 AM 01/09/14 02:58 AM
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Irun5snd8th master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 2,864 IN	Thats a 700+ HP engine using factory heads for around 10 grand. And it will live with low maintenance. Sure you can get a small block there. You wont do it for 10 grand, you wont do it with factory heads and you wont do it with low maintenance. Whats not to like? Agreed its probably difficult to get 1000 horse NA but you wanna do that with a small block you are minimum 20 grand and more likely 25-30. As more people start running them the more aftermarket stuff is gonna come and I would say they will be making 1000 easier than the current small blocks. But 40 years of technology will do that for ya. AFCO, Rons Fuel Injection sponsored Dodge Challenger Mention Street Lethal Motorsports

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556796 01/09/14 03:23 AM 01/09/14 03:23 AM
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SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556797 01/09/14 01:50 PM 01/09/14 01:50 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars. I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else. It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight. The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it. AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556798 01/09/14 03:14 PM 01/09/14 03:14 PM
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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: sixpackgut] #1556799 01/09/14 04:18 PM 01/09/14 04:18 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556800 01/09/14 04:57 PM 01/09/14 04:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556801 01/09/14 06:33 PM 01/09/14 06:33 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt. Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports?

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556802 01/09/14 07:06 PM 01/09/14 07:06 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt. Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports? I've read that the Apache is thin in the ports. But no confirmation.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556803 01/09/14 10:08 PM 01/09/14 10:08 PM
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SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Quote: Quote: Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars. I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else. It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight. The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it. AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block. Picked this up a couple weeks ago, gonna try to get it into the 11's (NA, without touching the motor) while keeping it a daily driver. 7991927-ChargerCropped.jpg (59 downloads) Last edited by Malicious�; 01/09/14 10:09 PM.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556804 01/09/14 10:51 PM 01/09/14 10:51 PM
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Triggerfish top fuel T Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA	Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Here's one article http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1089574_2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-to-debut-in-detroit And here's the Alpar link http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015.html

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556805 01/09/14 10:57 PM 01/09/14 10:57 PM
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scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,560 New Smyrna Beach FL	Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556806 01/10/14 12:17 AM 01/10/14 12:17 AM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up Imagine what it would do in a light A body? Mid 11's with a stock 6.4 that would probably approach 30 mpg

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556807 01/10/14 02:00 AM 01/10/14 02:00 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home S SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines!
SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up There are a few on LXforums running 12.1 ~ high 11's with custom tunes and drag radials. http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread...?highlight=mexi I'll be happy if mine runs under 12.50 with the Trinity + custom tune from Mike @ OST. I know they like a little converter too but I don't think I'd go that route with a daily driver. A few 6.4L Challengers cracked the 11's with a converter only back when the ECU's were still locked... Was your 12.57 pass bone stock? Last edited by Malicious�; 01/10/14 02:41 AM.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556808 01/10/14 04:30 AM 01/10/14 04:30 AM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	3.55's,slicks and converter. Those will get it done in those land yacht's lol. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1556809 01/10/14 10:39 AM 01/10/14 10:39 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,560 New Smyrna Beach FL S scottb pro stock
scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,560 New Smyrna Beach FL	Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556810 01/10/14 11:26 AM 01/10/14 11:26 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home S SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines!
SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune The canned tunes that the Diablo Trinity comes with only makes around 20 hp - but the custom ones work, you'll see 50 RWHP. The tunes (canned & custom) also remove the torque management (timing pull , fuel cut between shifts) that ive seen cars drop 3 tenths without. The tunes are worth it only for those reasons Tuner $600, custom email tune $200-$350. You just send them idle, cruising and wot logs. They tweak them and email them back. You upload them to the Diablo Trinity, then load them into the car. You also get free revisions, so you can just keep sending new idle, cruise and wot logs and they'll just keep improving them and sending them back. Last edited by Malicious�; 01/10/14 09:12 PM.

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