New Gen Hemi ?

Posted By: fishy340

New Gen Hemi ? - 12/31/13 03:43 PM

I keep seeing and hearing how wonderful they are.I only have seen one that impressed me N/a 450+ci on racegas 850ish.

I think there cool,but have nothing for the old wedge head w8 or w9.

Anyone know of any more powerful then 850hp n/a ?

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 12/31/13 04:16 PM

For all out power n/a a well built old engine, B1, w8-9, stage v etc can make better numbers. But if you're looking at pump gas and no maintenance hyd.roller power they rule. They're already heads available to support 1000hp easily, just need a 1/4" taller deck block IMO.

Posted By: TheOtherDodge

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 12/31/13 04:30 PM

Keep in mind with the Gen III Hemi, we are talking about using a stock block and stock replacement heads that can make 700 hp N/A for half the cost of a W8/W9 motor.

These stock blocks can be found all over the place now.

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 12/31/13 04:39 PM

The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though

How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 12/31/13 10:37 PM

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The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though

How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

The eagle heads can handle more lift. Longer valves. SDConcepts has a way of dealing with valve geometry.

Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 12:42 AM

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Keep in mind with the Gen III Hemi, we are talking about using a stock block and stock replacement heads that can make 700 hp N/A for half the cost of a W8/W9 motor.

These stock blocks can be found all over the place now.

I know of a stock block indy headed sb that makes that.The indy head is like ancient technology.
A w8/w9 is about 20g's depending on how hard you go.I think 10 grand and a new hemi wont get no where near 700hp jmo.

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 12:45 AM

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The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though

How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY

heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ?

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 01:00 AM

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The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though

How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY
heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ?

No idea, probably alot, point is the best Wwhatever head won't flow what a Gen III factory head will, take a look at the Thitek HEMI heads, they're even better.

A 700 HP stock block LA engine is a time bomb, not so with a Gen III.

The W head recipe for HP has been around along time and has proven results, for sure. The Gen III hasn't so it's alot more unknowns. I don't know if you head over to the LXForums much but that's the place to look for Gen III tech and capabilities, pose your same question over there and I guarantee you'll get plenty of answers (some hostile ones but still answers)

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 02:13 AM

I understand what you mean but its 2014 in a few hr's and i beleive these heads or new gen hemi stuff has been around since atleast 06. I guess i wanna see these things try and do what a w8 or w9 head can do power wise.
Brett Millers w8's will swing right past 1000hp,and thats from Tony @ BES own mouth.

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 02:14 AM

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The Gen III seems to be lacking a few things aftermarket wise to really let it shine. A taller deck block would be nice for a simpler stroker combo, with the factory block things get pretty tight over 400". The factory valve train can only handle so much lift(mid .600's I think) before it starts throwing a fit. You can get an aftermarket valve train but they're very expensive. Pretty impressive stuff for factory offerings though

How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY

heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

How much would that engine master Bes hemi cost ?

Got to remember that some contestants get really good deals on some stuff and I'll bet having BES push your product gets you even more discount!
IMO and I'm no expert, is that the jesel setup overkill.
Depending on were you get your parts you will be about the same as a W series engine.
The W series stuff is drying up.
The advantage of going to G3 is the availability. break something and you have access to new stuff.
Disadvantages of G3 are:
Not to many have built them but it is slowly getting there.
Factory support is very limited.
No R3 style type block for the G3.
Cost on some new products.

Matt

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 09:32 AM

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I understand what you mean but its 2014 in a few hr's and i beleive these heads or new gen hemi stuff has been around since atleast 06. I guess i wanna see these things try and do what a w8 or w9 head can do power wise.
Brett Millers w8's will swing right past 1000hp,and thats from Tony @ BES own mouth.

Kinda funny to hear all these guys talk about 1000hp small blocks of ANY brand. Seems everybody has one......... I have been around this stuff a LONG time and I have yet to see those numbers, or even close on a legit dyno.

Also seen LOTS of 1000hp small blocks get their asses handed to them by 850hp ones as well.........just sayin........LOL!!! That's why we don't race dynos

Monte

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 03:04 PM

This is true Monte and i am fortunat to know of 3 and there all chevy pieces.My bud Flex,Butch Kemps built here by Jeremy went 8.11 & 14 @ 171 in a pretty heavy stang is here in ny again.And the other is kinda on the quit tip.:)

Posted By: hemidup

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 06:28 PM

Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost.

Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500?

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 06:47 PM

IF I were to pick up a 5.7, what are the piston sizes
for a bore job on the stock sleeves(whats the max bore)
and still be strong enough to live at say 7000 rpm
on pump gas compression

Posted By: scottb

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 07:35 PM

I would like to see that eagle head on a good bench most eagle heads ive seen go around 335 to 340 and thats with a 2.10 valve that's cnc ported heads out of arringtons not blown up numbers .As for the bore the older blocks are thicker then the new ones the new ones your going to get a 20 over bore and still get a good ring package

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 07:35 PM

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This is true Monte and i am fortunat to know of 3 and there all chevy pieces.My bud Flex,Butch Kemps built here by Jeremy went 8.11 & 14 @ 171 in a pretty heavy stang is here in ny again.And the other is kinda on the quit tip.:)

I thought you were comparng them to W engines? SB Chevy's are in a whole other league with the 50+ years of aftermarket behind them, just look at the 600" SB thread. I could be wrong but my guess is you're not going to make anywhere near 1000HP on a conventional SB Chevy (nothing wrong with that, look at my posts in the 600" SB thread)

Posted By: Monte_Smith

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 08:51 PM

Am I saying you CAN'T make 1000hp with a smallblock, no not at all. But you won't make near that with run of the mill VERY good parts. In the realm of 400-450ish inch small blocks, to make near 1000hp will take some very exotic stuff. Mosez heads on an LS, maybe SBX heads on a conventional motor, possibly Victor Gliddens or Bennet billets on a Ford. As for a Mopar, I have NEVER seen a 1000hp wedge small block. Could you do it with the P-7s or something......I don't know, maybe. But regardless of brand, a REAL 1000hp small block is going to be a very exotic piece with killer heads, a 1" lift cam, tons of compression ,sheetmetal intake, two carbs, etc, etc.

In the more run of the mill motors, like 99% of your average guys are going to build, if you have one that makes 850, a LEGIT 850, it's a GOOD one.

I am sure many guys can produce 1000hp dyno sheets, but that's just a piece of paper, likely from a "happy" dyno. Show me the numbers on the track for the weight of the car and then we will talk power. Like I said, seen MANY an 850hp small block hand it to a supposed 1000hp small block.

But this not only applies to small blocks........seems everybody also has a 1200hp big block these days to. Seem to be so common, I guess you can pick one up at Target.......LOL!!!

Monte

Posted By: hemidup

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 08:54 PM

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IF I were to pick up a 5.7, what are the piston sizes
for a bore job on the stock sleeves(whats the max bore)
and still be strong enough to live at say 7000 rpm
on pump gas compression

.060" overbore has been no problem for the majority of the 5.7 blocks and certain blocks I've checked can handle .080".

Posted By: jim sciortino

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 09:08 PM

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How many W8 and W9 heads have won Engine Masters? Or even been contenders? Gen III HEMI's won it twice using FACTORY heads and block, pretty impressive IMO

How many W8s has BES built for Engine Masters competition???

Gen 3s are nice, but until a few more highend parts become available, a Gen 3 would have a hard time surpassing a W8 in an all out effort.......unless there is Gen 3 hardware out there capable of 1050+ N/A power that I haven't seen.

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 09:10 PM

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I would like to see that eagle head on a good bench most eagle heads ive seen go around 335 to 340 and thats with a 2.10 valve that's cnc ported heads out of arringtons not blown up numbers .As for the bore the older blocks are thicker then the new ones the new ones your going to get a 20 over bore and still get a good ring package

I'll bump my post about the eagle on a 1020 with a 4.00 bore fixture. Matt

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:21 PM

What im saying in a nut shell is,i guess i want to see more then the one i know of in a car and built by BES.I love what the kid did by going huge cubes and tons of compression to build the beast.I'f one can hang with the wedge stuff it would be nice to see.

Posted By: Duner

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:31 PM

I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost.

I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:35 PM

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I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost.

I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes.

Blaine are you thinking blower or turbo

Posted By: Duner

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:38 PM

Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:41 PM

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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage

Posted By: Duner

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 10:49 PM

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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage

That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage!

I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard.

Posted By: MR_P_BODY

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/01/14 11:04 PM

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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage

That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage!

I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard.

Thanks... I will start looking with interest in the
spring.. unless someone sets me on to one in the next
couple of weeks... after that I'm headed to Texas
for a couple of months

Posted By: Dragula

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 12:31 AM

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Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost.

Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500?

So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost?

Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...

Posted By: hemidup

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 04:05 AM

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Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost.

Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500?

So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost?

Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...

I stated 10.0:1 compression in my original post. And yes, the engine made the 660+hp n/a. It will have an Indy ModMan with a ProCharger cog drive F1C and shooting for 17 psi of boost.

Posted By: hemidup

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 04:17 AM

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Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...

2.2L Whipple? How about a 4.0L on a Gen 3 Hemi.

Just got to finish it up. The "Snake" himself was sure impressed with it and all the new technology thats out there now days.

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Posted By: Abodyjohn88

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 04:50 AM

Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp

Posted By: 1967dartgt

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 05:27 AM

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Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp

No not yet! We need someone with deep pockets to step up and do it.

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 07:28 AM

Here is a thread from LX forums that shows what is basically the latest most cutting edge Gen III stuff http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php/345874-Whats-going-on-at-PWR-11-13-13
I think Barton has some pretty sweet stuff coming out of his shop as well $$$$$$$.
I only care about power per dollar and reliability these days from my Mopar really, and the Gen III fits the bill for me on paper once you get past the efi buy in and the supporting stuff like headers,oil pan etc. How exotic it is doesnt really blow my skirt up.

Posted By: fishy340

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 02:57 PM

Yellow bullet Chris Uratchko's n/a section has the baddest new gen i know of. i wish i knew how to paste the thread on this cell phone.

Posted By: rickseeman

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 08:03 PM

Where is that article about the G3 hemi that made the big hp a few months ago? It was impressive.

Posted By: rickseeman

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/02/14 08:25 PM

Found it

http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/techa..._2/viewall.html

Posted By: Irun5snd8th

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 06:58 AM

Thats a 700+ HP engine using factory heads for around 10 grand. And it will live with low maintenance. Sure you can get a small block there. You wont do it for 10 grand, you wont do it with factory heads and you wont do it with low maintenance. Whats not to like? Agreed its probably difficult to get 1000 horse NA but you wanna do that with a small block you are minimum 20 grand and more likely 25-30. As more people start running them the more aftermarket stuff is gonna come and I would say they will be making 1000 easier than the current small blocks. But 40 years of technology will do that for ya.

Posted By: SRT6776

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 07:23 AM

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Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt

AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 05:50 PM

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Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt

AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.

I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else.
It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight.
The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it.
AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block.

Posted By: sixpackgut

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 07:14 PM

what is a hellcat block?

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 08:18 PM

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what is a hellcat block?

The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 08:57 PM

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what is a hellcat block?

The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads.
Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt.

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 10:33 PM

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what is a hellcat block?

The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads.
Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt.

Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports?

Posted By: MattW

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/09/14 11:06 PM

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what is a hellcat block?

The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads.
Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt.

Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports?

I've read that the Apache is thin in the ports. But no confirmation.

Posted By: SRT6776

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 02:08 AM

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Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt

AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.

I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else.
It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight.
The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it.
AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block.

Picked this up a couple weeks ago, gonna try to get it into the 11's (NA, without touching the motor) while keeping it a daily driver.

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Posted By: Triggerfish

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 02:51 AM

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what is a hellcat block?

The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Here's one article http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1089574_2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-to-debut-in-detroit

And here's the Alpar link http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015.html

Posted By: scottb

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 02:57 AM

Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up

Posted By: WO23Coronet

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 04:17 AM

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Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up

Imagine what it would do in a light A body? Mid 11's with a stock 6.4 that would probably approach 30 mpg

Posted By: SRT6776

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 06:00 AM

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Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up

There are a few on LXforums running 12.1 ~ high 11's with custom tunes and drag radials.
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread...?highlight=mexi

I'll be happy if mine runs under 12.50 with the Trinity + custom tune from Mike @ OST.

I know they like a little converter too but I don't think I'd go that route with a daily driver. A few 6.4L Challengers cracked the 11's with a converter only back when the ECU's were still locked...

Was your 12.57 pass bone stock?

Posted By: 72Swinger

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 08:30 AM

3.55's,slicks and converter. Those will get it done in those land yacht's lol.

Posted By: scottb

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 02:39 PM

Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune

Posted By: SRT6776

Re: New Gen Hemi ? - 01/10/14 03:26 PM

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Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune

The canned tunes that the Diablo Trinity comes with only makes around 20 hp - but the custom ones work, you'll see 50 RWHP. The tunes (canned & custom) also remove the torque management (timing pull , fuel cut between shifts) that ive seen cars drop 3 tenths without.

The tunes are worth it only for those reasons

Tuner $600, custom email tune $200-$350. You just send them idle, cruising and wot logs. They tweak them and email them back. You upload them to the Diablo Trinity, then load them into the car.

You also get free revisions, so you can just keep sending new idle, cruise and wot logs and they'll just keep improving them and sending them back.