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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: sixpackgut] #1556799 01/09/14 04:18 PM 01/09/14 04:18 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556800 01/09/14 04:57 PM 01/09/14 04:57 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556801 01/09/14 06:33 PM 01/09/14 06:33 PM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt. Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports?

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556802 01/09/14 07:06 PM 01/09/14 07:06 PM
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MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Info I've found is that they are using 6.1 crank in a 6.4 block. I don't know if they are using the 6.4 heads. Some people have stated that the 6.1 heads are physically stronger so who knows. Matt. Yeah I heard about the 6.4 block and 6.1 crank, might've been on here or maybe Allpar. The 6.1 heads are stronger? Is it better material or do the Apache heads get a little thin because of the size of the ports? I've read that the Apache is thin in the ports. But no confirmation.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556803 01/09/14 10:08 PM 01/09/14 10:08 PM
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SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Quote: Quote: Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars. I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else. It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight. The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it. AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block. Picked this up a couple weeks ago, gonna try to get it into the 11's (NA, without touching the motor) while keeping it a daily driver. 7991927-ChargerCropped.jpg (59 downloads) Last edited by Malicious�; 01/09/14 10:09 PM.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: WO23Coronet] #1556804 01/09/14 10:51 PM 01/09/14 10:51 PM
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Triggerfish top fuel T Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,954 Blairsden, CA	Quote: Quote: what is a hellcat block? The Hellcat is the supercharged 6.2 HEMI coming out this spring, supposed to be in the 640-680 HP. No solid word yet that I've heard of whether it'll come with an aluminum or steel block or even which heads it'll have, bore/stroke dimensions etc Here's one article http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1089574_2015-dodge-challenger-srt-hellcat-to-debut-in-detroit And here's the Alpar link http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/2015.html

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556805 01/09/14 10:57 PM 01/09/14 10:57 PM
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scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,559 New Smyrna Beach FL	Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556806 01/10/14 12:17 AM 01/10/14 12:17 AM
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WO23Coronet master Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 4,255 Canada	Quote: Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up Imagine what it would do in a light A body? Mid 11's with a stock 6.4 that would probably approach 30 mpg

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556807 01/10/14 02:00 AM 01/10/14 02:00 AM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home S SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines!
SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Ive got the same car the best pass so far is 12.57 the car is heavy for sure 4480 with me in it theres a guy over on chargers only that's been high 11 with a tune and 18 inch tires best of luck with it are they going to put the hellcat engine in the chargers might have to trade up There are a few on LXforums running 12.1 ~ high 11's with custom tunes and drag radials. http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread...?highlight=mexi I'll be happy if mine runs under 12.50 with the Trinity + custom tune from Mike @ OST. I know they like a little converter too but I don't think I'd go that route with a daily driver. A few 6.4L Challengers cracked the 11's with a converter only back when the ECU's were still locked... Was your 12.57 pass bone stock? Last edited by Malicious�; 01/10/14 02:41 AM.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556808 01/10/14 04:30 AM 01/10/14 04:30 AM
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72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	3.55's,slicks and converter. Those will get it done in those land yacht's lol. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1556809 01/10/14 10:39 AM 01/10/14 10:39 AM
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scottb pro stock S Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,559 New Smyrna Beach FL	Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: scottb] #1556810 01/10/14 11:26 AM 01/10/14 11:26 AM
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SRT6776 I hate internal combustion engines! S Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,719 Home	Quote: Yes it bone stock drove it 150 miles to norwalk got 21mpg and goes mid 12s you cant beat that When I talked to Arringtons they told me the tuners are a waste of money on the srt because the tuners are so close to maxed out on a rt they said it was in need of a tune The canned tunes that the Diablo Trinity comes with only makes around 20 hp - but the custom ones work, you'll see 50 RWHP. The tunes (canned & custom) also remove the torque management (timing pull , fuel cut between shifts) that ive seen cars drop 3 tenths without. The tunes are worth it only for those reasons Tuner $600, custom email tune $200-$350. You just send them idle, cruising and wot logs. They tweak them and email them back. You upload them to the Diablo Trinity, then load them into the car. You also get free revisions, so you can just keep sending new idle, cruise and wot logs and they'll just keep improving them and sending them back. Last edited by Malicious�; 01/10/14 09:12 PM.

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