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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: jim sciortino] #1556779
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What im saying in a nut shell is,i guess i want to see more then the one i know of in a car and built by BES.I love what the kid did by going huge cubes and tons of compression to build the beast.I'f one can hang with the wedge stuff it would be nice to see.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556780
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I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost.

I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556781
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I hope to start on a Hemi here pretty soon... of course with boost.

I'd like to shoot for 1,000hp and see how close it comes.




Blaine are you thinking blower or turbo

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556782
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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556783
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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.




Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1556784
01/01/14 06:49 PM
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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.




Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage





That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage!

I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Duner] #1556785
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Turbo for sure.
I've been more or less gearing all mods towards the eventual Hemi setup.
I don't see why it couldn't be done - given what the 360 had given me so far with it's limited cylinder heads I'm running.




Cool... thats sorta the direction I am thinking if I
find a 5.7 that'll go into my Rampage





That sounds like a blast. I love your little Rampage!

I'm just keeping my eyes open for a donor engine to start it off. I'm sure a cheap one will fall into my lap when I'm not looking too hard.




Thanks... I will start looking with interest in the
spring.. unless someone sets me on to one in the next
couple of weeks... after that I'm headed to Texas
for a couple of months

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: hemidup] #1556786
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Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost.

Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500?




So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost?

Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Dragula] #1556787
01/02/14 12:05 AM
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Here's a E85 G3 Hemi that made peak 667hp @ 6500rpm and 570ft,lbs/tq @ 5500 rpm at the last dyno session. 436" with a tame 540ish/550ish .600" lift @ .050" with a 116+4 LSA. Factory Eagle heads with a pocket port job that flowed a tad over 370 cfm @ .600" and 10.0:1 compression. The engine was built for boost.

Now lets say the compression was jacked to 12.5:1 and a real man's cam was installed and could make power past the peak 6500 rpm to say 7500?




So lets dicuss this one more you posted....What is the current CR? You say its designed for boost, so is it 8.8:1 or so, and how much boost is it to be run on? The 660hp I am assuming was made without boost?

Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...




I stated 10.0:1 compression in my original post. And yes, the engine made the 660+hp n/a. It will have an Indy ModMan with a ProCharger cog drive F1C and shooting for 17 psi of boost.


Jerry Williams.
Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Dragula] #1556788
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Me, I would slap a Modman on it and a Whipple 2.2L and a carb and let it rip...




2.2L Whipple? How about a 4.0L on a Gen 3 Hemi. Just got to finish it up. The "Snake" himself was sure impressed with it and all the new technology thats out there now days.


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: hemidup] #1556789
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Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: Abodyjohn88] #1556790
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Didn't someone here get a engine built recently with a pair of bretts w8s that made like 1050hp




No not yet! We need someone with deep pockets to step up and do it.


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1556791
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Here is a thread from LX forums that shows what is basically the latest most cutting edge Gen III stuff http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php/345874-Whats-going-on-at-PWR-11-13-13
I think Barton has some pretty sweet stuff coming out of his shop as well $$$$$$$.
I only care about power per dollar and reliability these days from my Mopar really, and the Gen III fits the bill for me on paper once you get past the efi buy in and the supporting stuff like headers,oil pan etc. How exotic it is doesnt really blow my skirt up.


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: 72Swinger] #1556792
01/02/14 10:57 AM
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Yellow bullet Chris Uratchko's n/a section has the baddest new gen i know of. i wish i knew how to paste the thread on this cell phone.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: fishy340] #1556793
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Where is that article about the G3 hemi that made the big hp a few months ago? It was impressive.


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: rickseeman] #1556794
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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: rickseeman] #1556795
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Thats a 700+ HP engine using factory heads for around 10 grand. And it will live with low maintenance. Sure you can get a small block there. You wont do it for 10 grand, you wont do it with factory heads and you wont do it with low maintenance. Whats not to like? Agreed its probably difficult to get 1000 horse NA but you wanna do that with a small block you are minimum 20 grand and more likely 25-30. As more people start running them the more aftermarket stuff is gonna come and I would say they will be making 1000 easier than the current small blocks. But 40 years of technology will do that for ya.


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Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556796
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Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt




AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: SRT6776] #1556797
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Now if we can get Fiat to make the hellcat block in iron and siamese that would be the last ingredient in a winning combination. Matt




AFAIK the Hellcat block is going to be iron, even though it probably should be aluminum to get some weight off those cars.




I think it was allpar that stated the aluminum block. As far for weight I would rather they trim it somewhere else.
It would be real cool to see compact graphite iron. This would save even more weight.
The 6.4 is a very strong block. Norms garage just released a 6.4 challenger that make over a 1000 HP with a blower. If the numbers are anywhere near that the block is good for most of the stuff that guys will through at it.
AFAIK a blower motor is not easy on a block.

Re: New Gen Hemi ? [Re: MattW] #1556798
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what is a hellcat block?


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