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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
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12/30/13 12:09 AM
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MuuMuu101
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I'd say an Aspen or Volare.
I wouldn't.
If you have to run a transverse Tbar car use the newest M body you can find. The early versions has durability issues, especially in police service. I'd imagine you'd want one with all the durability upgrades, which would not be any F body.
You could very well be right. I will admit I don't know much about this era mopar. However, I will agree with someone above is I have heard about a couple Diplomats that handle pretty well.
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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12/30/13 01:55 AM
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up yours
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I used to have an 87 Diplomat. It handled fine for street duty, never raced it.
They say there are no such thing as a stupid question.
They say there is always the exception that proves the rule.
Don't be the exception.
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: beeson44]
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12/30/13 03:14 PM
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Really depends on the track and the rule set.
High banked asphalt and you are sunk. You can't put enough spring rate under a mopar, bent bar or otherwise, for this.
Flat tracks, the traditional mopar suspension may work well with bigger sway bars, but the layout of a bent bar set up is not optimal for this either.
Dirt track you can make the FJM cars work because the toe on bump can be used to an advantage and soft suspension set ups are the norm for body separation and side bite.
The big wild card with the rule set is if you could put an earlier style suspension under the 77-88 skin. This was the premise of the kit car, early suspension, late model body. This does open up some options for torsion bars, but is a lot of effort for only a few additional t-bar rates. Firm Feel does offer two steps up in bent bar rates, but they are not cheap by a long shot.
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: feets]
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12/30/13 11:47 PM
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I spent a lot of time helping guys turn this era Mopar into street stockers. The best chassis by far is the late B-body cars (Cordoba /Charger /Magnum). While they were a little heavy they had excellent geometry and some parts availability. There have been some 43.5" bars available, earlier B-Body leaf springs bolt right in, and factory sway bars big enough to work. The big help is ridding the car of all the isolating rubber in the leaf spring shock plates, k-frame, and t-bar cross member. 41" T-bars can be used if you weld the sockets into the transmission cross member.
All the bent bar cars suffer from crap geometry and lack of parts as well as crap quality of the k-member. For a unit that was supposed to anchor the entire front suspension system it did a really BAD job. K-member failures are frequent and trying to find a good replacement is about impossible.
Dave Dusterberg
1979 Aspen R/T (soon to be #19 CAM/T)
2002 Ram 1500 SLT
2005 Magnum R/T
2005 Mustang GT SCCA CAM/C #19
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: beeson44]
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12/31/13 12:39 AM
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I thought about the Late B bodies but thought they may be to heavy I need to get it as close to 3000lbs as I can with it striped down and the cage installed.
This should get you to the weight you need:
http://chem-strip.com/
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: feets]
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12/31/13 02:37 PM
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Mopar Mitch
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I've always liked the Daytona fastback body styles.. too bad they never put a factory V8 into them. Also, I've always liked the SuperCoupe/Voplares with the 360 package and 8" wide rims, as well as the Magnum GT with the 8" rims... heck, even the areodynamic Chrysler Imperial of its day and the smaller Magnum body, too.
The IROC series was very cooolll with the Dodge Daytonas running on the road courses and big tracks.
Mopar Mitch
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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01/01/14 01:07 PM
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MarkZ
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I can't speak from a competition standpoint, but there is a lot of parts available for these cars that certainly look stock. FF just released 300# rate t-bars a couple years ago; I run them in my 5A. The only way to tell them from stock bars is the FFI stamping on the hex end, and that isn't visible when the bar is installed.
1987 Fifth Avenue - 512/518/D60
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Re: Best handling mopar from 1977 to 1988 V8 only
[Re: TC@HP2]
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01/01/14 10:18 PM
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brads70
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Really depends on the track and the rule set.
High banked asphalt and you are sunk. You can't put enough spring rate under a mopar, bent bar or otherwise, for this.
Flat tracks, the traditional mopar suspension may work well with bigger sway bars, but the layout of a bent bar set up is not optimal for this either.
Dirt track you can make the FJM cars work because the toe on bump can be used to an advantage and soft suspension set ups are the norm for body separation and side bite.
The big wild card with the rule set is if you could put an earlier style suspension under the 77-88 skin. This was the premise of the kit car, early suspension, late model body. This does open up some options for torsion bars, but is a lot of effort for only a few additional t-bar rates. Firm Feel does offer two steps up in bent bar rates, but they are not cheap by a long shot.
 It's going to be tough to compete on a paved track with a bent bar car. So much is available to the GM crowd.
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that's from the 90's 
