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Seems to me, except for the few high end builds that it'd be cheaper for a race motor to have the guides possibly serviced after several hundred passes the to try & re-invent the wheel, so to speak. Heck we're already ahead with the factory "shaft" design.

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I guess I need a keyboard that has a "tone" key so I am not interpreted as being a jerk. That is not my intention and is, in fact, more of a emphatic plea to please, for the sake of your motor, think about this stuff.

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I don't post here very often but I do read many of the posts nonetheless. You come off as a real jackazz know it all most of the time to push your own agenda to sell your products.
I don't need a "tone" key because I have a tendency to speak what's on my mind and if I offend someone, it's usually my intention to do so, just like it is yours.
You seem to think you're the only person on this entire site that understands rocker arm geometry and the math to go along with it. Sorry buddy, you'd be dead wrong on that. You seem to have this natural gift, or propensity if you will, of coming off as holier than thou, thinking everyone else here must be stupid or inept.
The fact of the matter is that there are very few, if any, rocker arm components that are truly perfect out of the box that will work perfectly for every situation. I've been making tapered and offset tapered shims for many years to correct those issues when they don't fall into acceptable standards. The key here is what is deemed "acceptable" for the application. Now keep in mind I've probably only installed fewer than 100 sets of HS rocker arms, but you know what, none of them have shown to be "unacceptable" in geometry and none of those sets if corrected would've amounted to a hill of beans in better longevity, strength or valve train stability. Perhaps that's why those rockers are so highly regarded by most.
Lastly, if you have a point to make, perhaps you could show people how you went about correcting the geometry on those HS rockers for a given situation instead of implying that someone promotes only because they may sell them or make a profit by selling them. I sell all of the major brands of rocker arms, so I have no agenda whatsoever other than to tell you, you may want to think things through the next time you choose to insult someone who probably has 100 times more experience and dedication to engine building and motorsports in general.

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Hey Brad, don't worry, there was a third and forth option there I didn't bother to list, so you don't fall in either of the ones I did list.

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So after all of this discussion I am wondering . I purchased the "limited edition" Bushed Harland rockers from Mancini racing to go on my mild street build 440 with 440 Source heads.I am planning on putting the motor in this winter. Did I make a mistake?

Mike

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I guess I need a keyboard that has a "tone" key so I am not interpreted as being a jerk. That is not my intention and is, in fact, more of a emphatic plea to please, for the sake of your motor, think about this stuff.

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I don't post here very often but I do read many of the posts nonetheless. You come off as a real jackazz know it all most of the time to push your own agenda to sell your products.
I don't need a "tone" key because I have a tendency to speak what's on my mind and if I offend someone, it's usually my intention to do so, just like it is yours.
You seem to think you're the only person on this entire site that understands rocker arm geometry and the math to go along with it. Sorry buddy, you'd be dead wrong on that. You seem to have this natural gift, or propensity if you will, of coming off as holier than thou, thinking everyone else here must be stupid or inept.
The fact of the matter is that there are very few, if any, rocker arm components that are truly perfect out of the box that will work perfectly for every situation. I've been making tapered and offset tapered shims for many years to correct those issues when they don't fall into acceptable standards. The key here is what is deemed "acceptable" for the application. Now keep in mind I've probably only installed fewer than 100 sets of HS rocker arms, but you know what, none of them have shown to be "unacceptable" in geometry and none of those sets if corrected would've amounted to a hill of beans in better longevity, strength or valve train stability. Perhaps that's why those rockers are so highly regarded by most.
Lastly, if you have a point to make, perhaps you could show people how you went about correcting the geometry on those HS rockers for a given situation instead of implying that someone promotes only because they may sell them or make a profit by selling them. I sell all of the major brands of rocker arms, so I have no agenda whatsoever other than to tell you, you may want to think things through the next time you choose to insult someone who probably has 100 times more experience and dedication to engine building and motorsports in general.

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Try to focus on the bigger picture and put it all in context. You're the guy that claims to offer free advice, right? Where is it?
Is the extent of your free advice to tell everyone to send you their measurements and you can correct their geometry, because it sure looks that way. That way you can sell your product here instead of on Craigslist. Is your only reason for being here to sell your product, because it certainly seems that way.
In the end you may have some valid information, but it's quite clear you're not actually ready to share any of it other than to tell everyone the Mopar rocker geometry is all messed up and has to be corrected. Lastly, I don't recall actually calling you a name you didn't like in the past. Sorry, that's my mistake, I call it like I see it.

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Did I say anything about a product in this thread? If you are referring to another thread, I'd be willing to bet a search of your posts would show you promoting yourself as well. So would just about every other member that has a business. BTW, the other thread you refer to was by request by some of your fellow members.

Before this thread, I hadn't posted for quite some time, although like you, I have been reading many of them. I didn't try to discourage the OP from buying HS rockers, but when I saw information that I didn't agree with, I spoke up, just like you and other members do.

When I asked if he was a dealer or profited in some kind of way, it was because a businessman will promote the products he manufactures and/or sells in order to stay in business. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have to be aware of any biases. BTW, he didn't confirm or deny that status, just became offended thinking I insinuated he was ripping off Moparts members. I was not and I apologized for making him think that I was.

Then you came along and decided you needed to attack me and call me names and make assumptions that you know more about me than I know about myself. I purposely don't tell a lot about myself because I want people to think about what I am saying, and not about who they think I am. I certainly don't need any help being stereotyped.

If I come across as a know it all, I can assure you I do not know it all. I am however passionate about valvetrain geometry and chose to specialize in it because it is so important and few truly understand it (and the ones who do ain't talkin').
If I come across as holier than thou, maybe I'm an ordained minister. You never know. JK

As far as free advice, everything I have tried to explain on here has been free and I know a lot of members have benefitted from it. Outside of showing up on every members doorstep and doing a demonstration of correct valvetrain geometry, I don't know what you want me to offer. I suppose I could buy everyone a couple manufacturing machines, tooling, fixturing, and materials, give them the formulas and a brand spanking new calculator, and tell them to go to town. Of course, it would have to all be free.

As far as my presence here goes, I am not just here to sell parts as you insinuate. I just don't voice my opinions on many other topics(some have an opinion on everything), because I choose to do that in the area I specialize. My choice. I still try to learn as much as I can from those who are more knowledgeable in other areas.

And finally, I also call it like I see it, but I don't call people as I see them, unless I have something nice to say. In all sincerity Dan, Have a pleasant day!

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Care to elaborate as to the depth that you correct any alleged faults??

This is info that would need to be discussed prior to any arrangement of work performed anyways.

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FWIW, some of what you're asking about may be shown in his parts advertisement here: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post7923218

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Hey Brad, don't worry, there was a third and forth option there I didn't bother to list, so you don't fall in either of the ones I did list.

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#3 - Moparts keyboard junkie w/o a running Mopar for over 3 years
#4 - Anal-retentive drag tech-o-phile w/o a timeslip to his name for over 3 years

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Care to elaborate as to the depth that you correct any alleged faults??

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FWIW, some of what you're asking about may be shown in his parts advertisement here: https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0#Post7923218

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OK, Thanks.
Very interesting product.

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Oh my all this bantering....Some of us just want a simple yes or no with validated reasoning. As I as well have the Mancini H/S bushed rockers for my 431 stroker with Mopar aluminum heads (P5153524) with a Mopar .528 solid cam. So are these rockers a good choice?
Thank you.

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