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New gen Hemi swap "?" #1555039
12/29/13 10:01 AM
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I suppose this has been talked about before, but I haven't seen anything.
Anyone thought of doing (or has done) a 5.7, 6.1, or 6.4 swap into a '72-'80 truck (or older)? What about transmission? If you do a '76 or newer, what's the smog laws follow (California, or where ever)? Truck, or motor? Pics?
Just wondering.

Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: bigblock340power] #1555040
12/29/13 10:49 AM
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There was someone here that did one. I wish I could remember who, but from what I remember it went in pretty easy and without drama.


EDIT: Here is one short thread I found---might help ya...

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7792699

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Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1555041
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There was someone here that did one. I wish I could remember who, but from what I remember it went in pretty easy and without drama.


EDIT: Here is one short thread I found---might help ya...

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...rue#Post7792699






Thanks, still have the question of smog legalities. Engine or truck? I would think it would burn so clean that smog wouldn't be an issue. But in this crazy state, one never knows.

Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: bigblock340power] #1555042
12/29/13 01:37 PM
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It varies by state.
I thought I read Cali. goes by vehicle manufacture date.
Call and check with your local D.M.V.


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Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: bigblock340power] #1555043
12/29/13 01:41 PM
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Thanks, still have the question of smog legalities. Engine or truck? I would think it would burn so clean that smog wouldn't be an issue. But in this crazy state, one never knows.




I don't know for sure, but I was always of the understanding that it follows which ever is newer. In NY (which almost mirrors Cali laws), unless something has changed that I am unaware of, it follows the newer of the two, either engine or vehicle---if the vehicle inspector wants to really dig in and find out. But here in upstate NY we are still allowed individual private owned stations to do inspections--so owners descretion, whether right or wrong (always good to know someone). Anything 25 years and older is visual and safety only inspection.


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Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: bigblock340power] #1555044
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Google is your friend From the Cali site:


http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_barresources/07_autorepair/engine_change_guidelines.html


Engine Change Guidelines

Overview

Engine changes continue to present problems and challenges to car owners and technicians. Here are some tips to keep you and your customers on the straight and narrow.

Our recommendation is to rebuild and reinstall the original engine, transmission, and emission control configuration.

When rebuilding an engine, it must be rebuilt to the original equipment specifications. However, if you do decide to change the engine, these guidelines must be observed to ensure that the vehicle will be eligible for smog certification or registration.

Remember, these are guidelines for performing engine changes – not certification procedures. All exhaust emission controlled vehicles with engine changes must be inspected by an official referee station and must have a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) Vehicle Identification Label affixed to the doorpost.

Remember also, state and federal anti–tampering laws generally prohibit any modification to the vehicle's original emission control system configuration as certified by the manufacturer. And, Section 3362.1 of the California Code of Regulations prohibits any engine change that degrades the effectiveness of a vehicle's emission control system.

California Certification

A federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) certified (federal or 49–state) engine cannot be used in a vehicle that was originally certified for California.

Certification Standards

Make sure the engine and emission control configuration on exhaust – controlled vehicles are certified to the year of the vehicle or newer, and to the same or a more stringent new vehicle certification standard.

Classification

Don't mix engine and vehicle classifications which will degrade the emissions certification standards. For example, a heavy–duty engine cannot be installed in a light–duty exhaust–controlled chassis even if they have the same displacement. Non–emissions controlled power plants such as industrial or off–road–use–only engines may not be placed in any exhaust–controlled vehicle.

Computer Controls

If a computer–controlled engine is installed in a non–computerized vehicle, the "CHECK ENGINE" light, the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) diagnostic link, and all sensors, switches, and wiring harnesses needed to make the system fully functional must also be installed.

Emission Control Configuration

Mixing and matching emission control system components could cause problems and is generally not allowed. Engine and emission control systems must be in an engine–chassis configuration certified by the California Air Resources Board (ARB) or U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The engine must meet or exceed the requirements for the year and class of vehicle in which it is installed.

Emission Warranty

Voiding the vehicle manufacturer's emission warranty is not allowed.

Engine Modifications

No internal or external engine modifications (cams, pistons, intakes, etc.) may be performed unless the parts are ARB–exempted or EPA–certified for use in the installed engine. Use the database on this site to search for aftermarket parts covered by ARB Executive Orders.

Original Equipment

The installed engine and host chassis must retain all of their original emission control equipment. Diesel–to–gasoline conversions must have all gasoline engine and chassis emission control systems installed (such as fillpipe restrictor, catalytic converter and evaporative emission system).

Smog Inspection

These vehicles must pass a complete smog inspection (visual, functional, and tailpipe).


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Re: New gen Hemi swap "?" [Re: 85_Ram_4speed] #1555045
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The best advice would be to talk with the folks who will be inspecting / approving the vehicle after the engine swap.

As a general rule, when an engine is swapped the engine must be newer than the vehicle into which it is swapped. The older vehicle must then meet the emission standards of the donor vehicle.

I've read that some picky inspectors will make a big deal out of the type of gas cap that is used. Newer vehicles have gas caps which thread into the filler neck and then click when tight. I've read on a GM forum that some guys vehicles have been rejected because their vehicle still had the older 1/2 turn type cap on it. 1

To do a conversion right is a hassle, but a newer engine would have some advantages.







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