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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: funnycar65] #1554043
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Yes correct. It was a very early car. Probably the first from the batch being that it did not even have its trade mark "Wide mouth Hemi scoop" yet.
The other Plymouth of which I could not get a flick of was the "Lawman" Plymouth Savoy.

They made another batch of four cars in 1965' as well just before they went full out with the 10/15% cars that we all know now.

Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: SixPackRT] #1554044
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Miniscule movement front ward. IIRC I think it was 3 or 4" inches up front and 4" inches out back. A little fender trimming had to be had on the couple of them. But it was covert for its time. No one really noticed.
Dick Landy did his own 1964 modifications and was supposedly first in line, but that is left to argument. Since it was Jim Thorton and Hoover that were closest to the Ramchargers, I can argue that their car was probably the first.

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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1554045
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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: SeventyGTX] #1554046
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these look like model cars.....


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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1554047
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Miniscule movement front ward. IIRC I think it was 3 or 4" inches up front and 5" inches out back. A little fender trimming had to be had on the couple of them. But it was covert for its time. No one really noticed.
Dick Landy did his own 1964 modifications and was supposedly first in line, but that is left to argument. Since it was Tom Cottington and Hoover that were closest to the Ramchargers, I can argue that their car was probably the first.






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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: SeventyGTX] #1554048
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That "Orange Blossom" looks to me like a 65' Dodge.

Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: SixPackRT] #1554049
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One of Al's cars.

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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: Golden-Arm] #1554050
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maybe it's the angle of the picture, but that wheelbase doesnt look altered.




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these look like model cars.....




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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: fullmetaljacket] #1554051
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That "Orange Blossom" looks to me like a 65' Dodge.




Yep - I stand corrected. What do you guys think something like that would bring today - as we found it? No front sheetmetal, no suspension, no interior - it was sitting on jack stands. Doors, roof, & the rear. Let's assume he had the title for it? (I just want to see how bad I should feel for not buying it!)


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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: SeventyGTX] #1554052
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For whatever reason the altered wheelbase cars are almost taboo. I starting building one last year and still tinker with it from time to time. A few of the purist's gouged me a new one on another forum because every little thing that was done was not correct in their minds. Build what you want to build and enjoy it accordingly. These cars are cool to this day and contrary to what most believe no two were alike 50 years ago. I think the production #'s were around 15 for the 10-15 cars. Not sure about the 2%, maybe 4? That means that there were maybe 20 cars out there that were factory produced? Few of us in this day and age can afford to own any of the original cars. I know I never could. I have a build thread titled 65 Coronet AWB build in the Projects and Survivor section that details the progress on mine from the beginning. Newer pics will be added soon as I have managed to get back to work on it for awhile. Attached is a pic of the rear relocation and mock-up of the rear suspension.

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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554053
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Uh-huh...

Lotsa' $$$ under those tents...

What an event...

Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: RSNOMO] #1554054
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OK, here's the deal: only 1 10"/15" '65 Sedan was considered factory at the time (Flynn's Dodge by Branstner): the S&M sedan was originally an RO car converted partly by S&M & partly by Branstner. The '64 "2%" cars were actually a bit more than 2%, and several were built, in HT & sedan configurations. Those seem to all have been MW HTs or Hemi sedans. Dodges used the Plymouth wheelbase (1" shorter). Part of that deal was a lightened stainless K, which Chrysler later recalled from the teams.
For '65, only 4 "2%" HTs were built (2 Dodge & 2 Plymouth), one of which (Melrose Missile VII) was soon converted to a 10"/15" AWB.
The "2%" refers to the NHRA rulebook "fudge-factor" allowance of the time, which predictably was exceeded in typical racer practice!
No doubt parts were swapped among different cars, and of course many non-factory 10/15 cars were built fresh or from earlier MW/RO/WO ("A990") cars.

Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: RSNOMO] #1554055
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2008 ALL HEMI REUNION




Uh-huh...

Lotsa' $$$ under those tents...

What an event...




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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554056
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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554057
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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: skicker] #1554058
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Yes, as records show, In 1965, there were a dozen 10/15 Hardtop cars plus one off beat 2dr Sedan contracted to the Dick Branstner in Detroit and (corrected) Alexander Bros for paint)for the one and only altered sedan body. "The Yankee Peddler"
These 10/15 cars are the current day Funny car ancestor mules. All wearing fiberglass fenders, hood and special raised Hemi scoop, doors, Bumpers, dashboard and deck lid. Plexiglass for windows etc.
Prior to that, there were four 65' Hemi Hardtop 2% cars as a teaser using the thin gauge steel fenders, hoods and doors.
In 1964, there were four or so Sedan 2% Hemis built using aluminum fenders, hoods, scoop, doors dashboard, bumpers, misc brackets. Very light.

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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554059
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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554060
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Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: hemi-itis] #1554061
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I would have stayed till Sunday and then maybe Monday.
That's why I almost always go alone.

Re: No Altered Wheelbase threads?Can we start one? [Re: topside] #1554062
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Here's one of the 65' 2% Plymouths. Note the wingless door window.

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