Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: magnum440d100]
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12/19/13 02:51 AM
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I think you need a frame brace or 2..
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: magnum440d100]
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12/19/13 03:29 AM
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If you're looking for a replacement, 72-76 is what you need. The 77-78 supports have the turn signal pigtail holes near the top, and the 79-80 supports have an oval hole behind the headlight, requiring a different bucket. You can use a 79-80 support and buckets if it had round headlights, but I think the lights stick out a little further than the 72-76s.
Here's a 77-78. Notice the pigtails above and inboard of the headlights.
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: magnum440d100]
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12/19/13 03:40 AM
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Yes. Used mostly on 4Xs but I put 1 on my 2X shorty and you could feel the difference in the steering..
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
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12/19/13 01:56 PM
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Mine cracked bad on the driver's side bottom on my black '76 shortbed 4x4. Looked like a battery had leaked years ago and rusted it out. Replaced it with a junkyard core support and been fine ever since. That truck has over 300,000 HARD miles on it, though...
JS
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: 76dodgeboy]
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12/19/13 11:37 PM
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My guess concerning the cracks is that the bottom cracked because of vibration or use on rough terrain and the top cracked because of loss of support from the bottom. The tops were repaired because they could be seen and reached easily, but since the source of the issue, the bottom cracks, hadn't been fixed, the top cracked again.
One of my mid 70s trucks was a field truck. Most of its life was spent hauling seed to the fields on one of the big milti farm farming operations around here. Because it was used mostly between farms, it seldom saw a paved road and usually bounced through the fields between the farms. On it, the area surrounding nearly every body mount was loaded with cracks. If the cracks hadn't been repaired, there were cracks near any structural joints or metal bends or metal folds in close proximity to the body mount cracks.
You would probably be surprised how much stuff moves around on a truck going down the highway, take one off the pavement and the movement multiplies quickly and becomes more violent, add some speed to the off road experience and the amount of movement goes off the charts, so to speak.
Most body mount areas with cracks I have seen are more apparent in 4x4 or rough service trucks. Gene
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: poorboy]
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12/19/13 11:44 PM
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Dad had a '72. The frame/core support flexed once when he pulled in my Grndfather's driveway once(*uphill) and the fan caught the radiater. After my Grandfather braced the frame,he wrote Chrysler about his mods, and they replied they were aware and had done their own mods on the newer years.
Dave
1981 Dodge D150 360 auto
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: magnum440d100]
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12/19/13 11:51 PM
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Back when these were new, there was a recall on the rad supports, we replaced a bunch of them at 63436. But I do seem to remember that it was just the 4wd trucks. Of course, in Vermont that is pretty much all we sold, sooo ... The new ones were reinforced at the mounting locations.
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
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12/22/13 01:39 PM
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I had a long bed '76 Club Cab that I dropped a (stock) 440 into. That sucker had cracks everywhere BUT the core support. Matter of fact, it was the ONLY reason I got rid of the truck. Truck had very minimal rust, frame was solid, no rust pitting on it. Yet, by the time I got rid of it, a majority of the factory riveted in cross members were LOOSE. A few back under the bed you could move around by hand, and the main (front) suspension piece, you could tell it was moving around. But, my truck had well over 300K miles on the chassis. Even the leaf springs started to fail because of the mileage. Cruising down the freeway one day (no load in the bed), I hit a slight dip in the road, and heard a 'snap'. Every time I'd hit a bump after that, I'd hear a clang. A leaf had broke clean thru about mid pack and turned sideways so that it was slapping the frame with each bump.
John
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: SattyNoCar]
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12/22/13 03:53 PM
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I had a long bed '76 Club Cab that I dropped a (stock) 440 into. That sucker had cracks everywhere BUT the core support.
Matter of fact, it was the ONLY reason I got rid of the truck. Truck had very minimal rust, frame was solid, no rust pitting on it. Yet, by the time I got rid of it, a majority of the factory riveted in cross members were LOOSE. A few back under the bed you could move around by hand, and the main (front) suspension piece, you could tell it was moving around.
But, my truck had well over 300K miles on the chassis.
Even the leaf springs started to fail because of the mileage. Cruising down the freeway one day (no load in the bed), I hit a slight dip in the road, and heard a 'snap'. Every time I'd hit a bump after that, I'd hear a clang. A leaf had broke clean thru about mid pack and turned sideways so that it was slapping the frame with each bump.
I think I have your old truck
Seriously though, knowing the history on this truck, it wouldn't surprise me if the previous owner didn't off road in it. He went fishing down in Mexico a LOT. An he also used to work concrete. Then I used it in construction. I also live on a semi maintained in maintained dirt road.
The rear shock crossmember snapped in 2. Swapped that out and used grade 8 hardware to reinstall. I hope it's holding up.
This truck has unknown mileage. The original speedo was swapped out because the needle was broken. Then I swapped the "new" one out again due to a vibration and it swinging wildly after about 20k miles.
It wouldn't surprise me if it did have 4-500k miles though.
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Re: Cracked core support. Common issue on 72+?
[Re: hooziewhatsit]
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12/25/13 05:35 PM
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Your 72 rad support is the first version used on early production trucks only. Part way into 72 production the rad supports received a heavy stamped reinforcement from end to end. Then through the years up to 93 there were many revisions with the late rad supports having additional reinforcements layered one on top of another to help prevent cracking. As for the 72-76 rad supports, they all interchange but watch for the rad support mount areas. Some used the outboard holes like yours and some used the inboard holes. And there are narrow rad and wide rad versions. Yours is the wide rad model. The reinforced rad supports help up well
20 years ago I fixed many 80-96 Ford truck rad supports. All the loggers used them here and they cracked into pieces.
Last edited by demon; 12/25/13 05:49 PM.
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