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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: ex_cuda_guy]
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Ok first ill address Monte, finally zeroed in on where you coming from, the head. The head configuration is not what defines a mopar by itself,the distributor,timing chain boss that sticks out from the block,oil pump on external front,and skirted block DEFINES A MOPAR. AS far as heads up racing there is none in the DC. Va. MD. area that i know of, it was tried a couple times and the big guys thew cubic money at it and poof gone. I'm sure we will have to use the twisted head till someone builds a better head down the road.It wasn't so much Alderman i was watching but the wedge head and i knew they where doomed because they where limited on bore size(for big valves)WE both have opinions and that's what makes the world go around, have a good day.
Sorry, I am confused I guess. What got this discussion going was YOU saying the "first time I ever saw the Predator head, I said that's a BBC head" but NOW you say the head doesn't matter, it is the block that more or less defines the motor.
Me personally, all I want it some parts that make power. I don't give a damn what they look like. Call it a damn Rambler for all I care.
Monte
Hey that's an idea, Monte, a 5.3 bore space AMC Brewer head!! 
Since I have and like what are considered "exotic" heads(TS, Predator) by the purists............I wouldn't want to piss anyone off, so I think I will have some Rambler or Nash decals made for my valve covers.......which one would be ok with you guys...........lol!!!......or maybe Desoto, that would be cool
Monte
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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12/08/13 10:26 PM
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Ok first ill address Monte, finally zeroed in on where you coming from, the head. The head configuration is not what defines a mopar by itself,the distributor,timing chain boss that sticks out from the block,oil pump on external front,and skirted block DEFINES A MOPAR. AS far as heads up racing there is none in the DC. Va. MD. area that i know of, it was tried a couple times and the big guys thew cubic money at it and poof gone. I'm sure we will have to use the twisted head till someone builds a better head down the road.It wasn't so much Alderman i was watching but the wedge head and i knew they where doomed because they where limited on bore size(for big valves)WE both have opinions and that's what makes the world go around, have a good day.
Sorry, I am confused I guess. What got this discussion going was YOU saying the "first time I ever saw the Predator head, I said that's a BBC head" but NOW you say the head doesn't matter, it is the block that more or less defines the motor.
Me personally, all I want it some parts that make power. I don't give a damn what they look like. Call it a damn Rambler for all I care.
Monte
Easy to see you are not a Mopar man. "I want some parts that make power" then buy the Chevy stuff and join there side. Make sure you call it a Rambler or whatever. WE mopar guys will wait for that good block that we desire.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/08/13 10:39 PM
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Ok first ill address Monte, finally zeroed in on where you coming from, the head. The head configuration is not what defines a mopar by itself,the distributor,timing chain boss that sticks out from the block,oil pump on external front,and skirted block DEFINES A MOPAR. AS far as heads up racing there is none in the DC. Va. MD. area that i know of, it was tried a couple times and the big guys thew cubic money at it and poof gone. I'm sure we will have to use the twisted head till someone builds a better head down the road.It wasn't so much Alderman i was watching but the wedge head and i knew they where doomed because they where limited on bore size(for big valves)WE both have opinions and that's what makes the world go around, have a good day.
Sorry, I am confused I guess. What got this discussion going was YOU saying the "first time I ever saw the Predator head, I said that's a BBC head" but NOW you say the head doesn't matter, it is the block that more or less defines the motor.
Me personally, all I want it some parts that make power. I don't give a damn what they look like. Call it a damn Rambler for all I care.
Monte
Easy to see you are not a Mopar man. "I want some parts that make power" then buy the Chevy stuff and join there side. Make sure you call it a Rambler or whatever. WE mopar guys will wait for that good block that we desire.
Just because I don't share your antiquated view of what should and shouldn't be a MOPAR part, makes me no less a Mopar person than you or anyone else...trust me.
And you NEVER said what makes the Predator look like a BBC to you. Like I said, NO BBC EVER came from the factory with a spreadport head like that. The Predator is an aftermarket RACE head that was specifically designed, to bolt on a 4.800 bore space Chrysler block. But since its appearance is not satisfactory to YOU, the rest of us get labeled as not REAL Mopar guys...........ok, gotcha, I'm clear now
Monte
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: cudaman1969]
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12/08/13 11:05 PM
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I have found these pointless fights over and over by Mopar guys. The thing I continue to notice is most mopar guys don't think Small Blocks were built until 1964. Not sure the year but don't recognize nothing but the B and RB big blocks.
We could all learn from history. I'm sure when the first 426 Hemi was built that there were plenty of Mopar guys flipping out saying they were not Mopar. I'm fairly sure some dared to call them a Chevy head. Sound ridiculous? It is no different in some of the modern head options that purest sprout up and label a chevy design.
I need to go refresh my mind by researching a few books. Not sure the author but have found them extremely interesting. "The Dodge Story", "The Plymouth Story", "The Chrysler Story", & "The Desoto Story". In these books we can find out where each of the engine platforms we know as Mopar Started. If I recall correctly the A was a Plymouth design. The B engines were from Dodge. Desoto and Chrysler both had hemi's neither that fit the RB style blocks. Look it up, don't quote me. Point is there was a time when guys would not put certain engine family engines in cars with nameplates that did not previously use that family of engines.
I don't like most modern Ford guys because they only know Mustangs. I can say the same for Chevy guys that only know 350 and 454. If you are a Mopar, Ford, or Chevy guy at least know the make you are a purist about. I just feel that so many that get into these petty arguments have no idea what they are arguing about.
I guess any Mopar engine that oils through the pushrod like a magnum is a chevy. Any rear that has C-clips is also Chevy. I have had the opportunity to work on a lot of the so-called purist engines. And tell them what those .990" pins fit. Then they say "Don't tell anybody I got Chevy parts in my Modda".
Dan, I wish you well with your plans. The only thing I could ask is why stop at 5.0" bore spacing or even 5.3". For the guys that want to be different. Go 4.960" as to come up .040 short to a chevy just like Mopar intended. Then the purest can be happy LOL.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: ex_cuda_guy]
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12/09/13 01:18 AM
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another new head design that bolts on a mopar block,would be fantastic,doesnt matter if it looks like a porcupine in heat,who cares! if its an advancement over whats currently available,is READILY available,and of course costs less than the entire car its going on,all the better.it may not have a mopar part number,but if it bolts to a mopar block,that makes it mopar specific and quite frankly who cares about the rest.brodix spits out a new head casting almost daily for something other than mopar.countless gm heads and variations.is it discrimination? nope,just business sense,if enough people e-mailed them to show an interest,who knows? maybe it could happen.the small block head market seems to be on a run,maybe big block and hemi will be next....but.... keep in mind,ALL us mopar junkies ALL have one thing in common...the search for the most horsepower,for the least amount of money....even if it is a rambler with a 5 in bore space block...
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: dakotawilly]
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12/09/13 11:30 AM
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Eventually the only distinguishable mopar characteristic will be the bell housing bolt pattern, but wait some of my hemi blocks have Chevy bolt pattern. So is it no longer a Mope?
Run a belt drive distributor and a crank driven oil pump, and there goes another need to make it mopar appearing. A hemi head can look like any manufacturer now too.
One of my cars has not one single Mopar factory part, or even a bolt in neither the body, chassis, drive train, or electrical. Yet it remains a mopar. So where is this nebulous line?
This dogmatic attachment to yesteryear is what I think has kept mopar out of the general racing public's eye. For me, I think anything coming out of the mopar world as far as parts go, are mopar parts, no matter what they look like. Should a mopar shop, or company build an entirely new engine from the manifold to the pan, that looks like everything else in racing world (Chevy/Ford) would to me be a mope. Sonny calls his stuff Chevy, and it looks like nothing chevrolet to me. Same with ford, why not us?
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/09/13 12:32 PM
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X2. LOL I'll support Mich on my end. Still trying to get this one together.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: dakotawilly]
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12/09/13 05:20 PM
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sticker????aw,come on, Im thinking more along the line of a giant forehead tattoo!!!!
I was going to post earlier about this comment.
I always laugh when someone says "I'll put your sticker on my car" if you do this...
I get approached every year for sponsorship and so many guys know nothing about it. 
Don't use that line when out looking for $$ is my advise.
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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12/10/13 01:58 PM
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I will be more than Happy to test the new Mopar engine.I have a 2011 Top of the Line 245"Mullis T/D that will handle the power with no problem and it painted solid black,there is room for any kind of logo and can be painted any color.Also still have my red dragster and hoping after the 1st of the year to have a new Mullis T/D built,and if the Red one sells before the 1st of the year will go ahead and put the $$$ for the new one to be built before the 1st of the year.So if needed I could test more than one engine combination at a time.This is no BS! AGAIN I AM ALL FOR THE BIG BIG MOPAR BLOCK AND HEADS and CAN'T WAIT TO BUY OR GET ONE. Here's wishing all my fellow  racers a Merry  Christmas! 
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: 74yellowduster]
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10/28/14 06:29 PM
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A little strange at first to see one of Dan's threads come back up.
Gone to the dark side with an LS3 powered '57 Chevy 210
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
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10/28/14 06:35 PM
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A little strange at first to see one of Dan's threads come back up.
same thing I was thinking, RIP
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Re: 5" bore space Mopar blocks
[Re: DusterDave]
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10/28/14 06:43 PM
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A little strange at first to see one of Dan's threads come back up.
Sorry, didn't know something happened to him.
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