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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: FJR doc] #1538664
11/26/13 01:23 AM
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That looks awesome, FJR doc.

And $65.00? Well done.

Gonna write that one down in my little resto notebook, thanks for the tip.


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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Grizzly] #1538665
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That looks awesome, FJR doc.

And $65.00? Well done.

Gonna write that one down in my little resto notebook, thanks for the tip.




YUP!

That looks AWESOME! Nice job!

Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: LimeliteAero] #1538666
11/26/13 03:39 PM
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Thanks for the compliments guys. C&C powdercoating (717.738.1240) in Ephrata, PA do a great job at a reasonable coast. I would recommend them highly.Even though they had to order the correct powder, they only charged me for what they needed to do my job.


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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Stanton] #1538667
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I recommend everyone look closely at their dash parts. Especially at the back sides and hidden areas before stripping the paint. Most B and E body dashes are definitley textured suede. BUT! I have several A bodies in my personal collection and have restored many Over the last 25 years and for some reason, some A bodies used regular flat lacquer that is not textured. My own 71 Demon 340 black dash is not textured yet the 69 Barracuda I'm doing is textured black.

Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: demon] #1538668
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Hi Guys,

Just to clarify...The stuff we sell is the real deal. I bought out an old PPG jobber local to my town that had boxes and boxes of unopened bases,toners and additives dating from the 50's-70's. The paint shop closed in 1979, so nothing is newer than that.

We are very low on the additive, we have sold it to many many people over the last few years, but its about gone.

If you are getting too much gloss or too rough texture, it is most definately an application issue. If you use too much pressure it will make the additive stand up causing a rougher finish. If you spray it too wet and don't allow enough time between coats, it will gloss up. The key is light coats, low pressure to get the perfect suede "fuzzy" feeling.

Any original sample is not really a perfect reference due to the way lacquer breaks down and degrades simply with time, not to mention other outside forces.

Any questions, please call the shop. 401-267-0055

Thanks
Mike

Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: FJR doc] #1538669
11/26/13 11:33 PM
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Is your dash black? If so, I tried various paints but eventually went with powder coating. I felt that the Tiger black matte fine texture was an exact match to my original dash frame. My local coater blasted and coated my frame, glove box door and ash tray door for $65. It looks sexy!




I too did powdercoating, dash, steering column, ash tray for less than $100, finish is perfect and way more durable than paint, I have no clue why people mess with a paint that is a crapshoot at best

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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Dave Watt] #1538670
11/27/13 05:45 AM
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I tried theirs as well but the texture was way to strong as compared to my original samples.



I agree. No matter how much you reduce it, the texture is still too heavy/grainy. It didn't match my Road Runner dash or my Duster dash as far as texture goes. Both still had original paint on them.




Yup, same here. I paid the big bucks for this product, and plan to repaint it before installing. It's way too gritty, and catches a lot of lent when wiping it down. Not happy at all.


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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: BigDaddy440] #1538671
11/27/13 10:09 AM
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I tried theirs as well but the texture was way to strong as compared to my original samples.



I agree. No matter how much you reduce it, the texture is still too heavy/grainy. It didn't match my Road Runner dash or my Duster dash as far as texture goes. Both still had original paint on them.




Yup, same here. I paid the big bucks for this product, and plan to repaint it before installing. It's way too gritty, and catches a lot of lent when wiping it down. Not happy at all.




I used it and it is perfect! Like Mike said you gotta know how to shoot it correctly. AND by the way I can always tell when someone powdercoats a dash it is not factory in appearance. Can't get any closer to factory original than using the original paint with the original formula. It isn't that hard to shoot if you know what you are doing.


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70 Road Runner 4 speed
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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1538672
11/27/13 10:57 AM
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I also used Mikes stuff on the Daytona just recently and had good results. You can't spray it like you would outside panels for a good finish.


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1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Mike Mancini] #1538673
11/27/13 12:00 PM
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Hi Guys,

Just to clarify...The stuff we sell is the real deal. I bought out an old PPG jobber local to my town that had boxes and boxes of unopened bases,toners and additives dating from the 50's-70's. The paint shop closed in 1979, so nothing is newer than that.

We are very low on the additive, we have sold it to many many people over the last few years, but its about gone.

If you are getting too much gloss or too rough texture, it is most definately an application issue. If you use too much pressure it will make the additive stand up causing a rougher finish. If you spray it too wet and don't allow enough time between coats, it will gloss up. The key is light coats, low pressure to get the perfect suede "fuzzy" feeling.

Any original sample is not really a perfect reference due to the way lacquer breaks down and degrades simply with time, not to mention other outside forces.

Any questions, please call the shop. 401-267-0055

Thanks
Mike




I was just at Mike's shop to drop off a gauge cluster for restoration and got to see a few complete dash's that were ready to be shipped out. The complete assemblies that I saw were absolutely beautiful and the texture looked perfect.


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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: steve70] #1538674
11/27/13 12:44 PM
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When I did my 71RR dash, my local powder coater found a paint that matched up really close to the texture on the plastic ash tray cover from the same dash.

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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: gygeneral] #1538675
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I have no doubt that one can duplicate the suede texture with paint. However, there are many variables that can affect the final appearance. I'm not a paint and body guy and I'm sure that I could have spent a lot more money on supplies and invested time trying to paint the frame myself. Powdercoating is not original but it is very reasonable, durable and uniform in appearance.


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Kevin
Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Mike Mancini] #1538676
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Hi Guys,

Just to clarify...The stuff we sell is the real deal. I bought out an old PPG jobber local to my town that had boxes and boxes of unopened bases,toners and additives dating from the 50's-70's. The paint shop closed in 1979, so nothing is newer than that.

We are very low on the additive, we have sold it to many many people over the last few years, but its about gone.

If you are getting too much gloss or too rough texture, it is most definately an application issue. If you use too much pressure it will make the additive stand up causing a rougher finish. If you spray it too wet and don't allow enough time between coats, it will gloss up. The key is light coats, low pressure to get the perfect suede "fuzzy" feeling.

Any original sample is not really a perfect reference due to the way lacquer breaks down and degrades simply with time, not to mention other outside forces.

Any questions, please call the shop. 401-267-0055

Thanks
Mike





Thanks for posting Mike, as I said, it might have been an application technique issue and not your product. I still have leftover paint and a couple dashes to shoot, could you offer some tips on getting it right so I don't waste more material? Specific gun pressure, room temperature, spray distance, etc. that might help?

Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: FJR doc] #1538677
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Get the paint wrong - easily strip it off and redo it. Get the powder wrong and its a whole different ballgame!

I my case and probably others as well, there is rust in the top corners which is not severe enough to cut out but enough to need a skim coat of bondo. This means powder is not an option as it won't adhere to the bondo. Also, doing an ashtray you only want the door done, not the tray itself. Unless you pop it apart and re-rivet it you're pretty much dinked there as well.

Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: Stanton] #1538678
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Get the paint wrong - easily strip it off and redo it. Get the powder wrong and its a whole different ballgame!

I my case and probably others as well, there is rust in the top corners which is not severe enough to cut out but enough to need a skim coat of bondo. This means powder is not an option as it won't adhere to the bondo. Also, doing an ashtray you only want the door done, not the tray itself. Unless you pop it apart and re-rivet it you're pretty much dinked there as well.




Not true in the ash tray, they just mask it off with special high temp tape.

My metal is perfect so powdercoating is the ticket, if my was rusty and had bondo I too would have had to use paint.

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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #1538679
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AZ A12 Bee I would love to see an up close side shot of your dash.


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Re: dash "suede" paint ?? [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1538680
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AZ A12 Bee I would love to see an up close side shot of your dash.




Mike, which angle do you want?


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AZ A12 Bee I would love to see an up close side shot of your dash.




Hopefully this helps

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