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Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: Kudakidd] #153638
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IF you want a factory style electronic ignition package I would go to FBO... and get your
distributor re-curved with their package
also use their black ignition wires...
while your at it..

For an electronic setup, there is nothing better than what FBO does... PERIOD...

Forget, the MP kit, it is a flawed kit right out of the box. I would'nt even fool with it...

However,

The digital multi-spark systems out there from
MSD, Mallory, Jacobs etc..when they work..are absolutely better than the factory style
electronic setups..

Whether you go for a CD (capacitive discharge)
type ignition system or and inductive type (example: jacobs mileage master)
either one of those gives you multiple sparks per cylinder upto 3500 rpm
after 3500rpm its all just one spark...

I went with the digital system and had FBO
recurve the distributor. I've owned my 318 since
1982..

car runs fantastic..better today than EVER!
smooth, fast, quiet, and reliable (so far!)

Best of luck to you!

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: OLD318] #153639
11/24/08 05:58 PM
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old318 did you have an issue with the MP dist? I have an FBO coil/ecu & was considering one for the adjustability & I understand it is made by Mallory? who I figure has better quality control than MP does.


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Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: RapidRobert] #153640
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The problem I have with the MSD or Petronics stuff is that when they fail they leave your car dead on the road and you know its gonna happen when you at that show thats 250 miles from home. With the stock MP stuff you can swap out the control box/ballast/mag trigger and be on your way. My orange box has been on my car since 83 but I always carry a spare box,ballast res and coil in my car. The car in the orig post above would run just fine with points and a better coil. Others have had orange boxes fail but I have 50-60 passes at the track with mine in the last 5yrs. The MP stuff is simple and reliable for a mild street/strip car.

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: itali83] #153641
11/24/08 07:48 PM
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I have the Crane HI6s box and coil with an MSD distributor in my 68 RR. Very nice and digital with rev limiter built in. For the money I'd consider the Crane ignition over the MSD 6AL.I
had problems with an MSD rev limiter on my MP
distributor. MSD says it won't work properly with a hall effects style pick up. If the new 440 source distributors will fire a Crane box that would be the way to go and definately get a vacuum advance unit. You need all the timing you can get (like 52 degrees as apposed to 38) to get any MPG...(I know I said MPG!!!)

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: THESHAKERPROJECT] #153642
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Quote:

The problem I have with the MSD or Petronics stuff is that when they fail they leave your car dead on the road. With the stock MP stuff you can swap out the control box/ballast/mag trigger and be on your way.




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Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: Kudakidd] #153643
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the ready to run dist will run with out the box

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: RapidRobert] #153644
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old318 did you have an issue with the MP dist? I have an FBO coil/ecu & was considering one for the adjustability & I understand it is made by Mallory? who I figure has better quality control than MP does.




Oh yes, I bought the MP small block kit from
Glendora Dodge. Talk about a flawed kit.

First, the pickup coil and reluctor did not line up at all (vertically)..this caused the misallinged cylinders to misfire intermittantly..
and no amountof turning the allen wrench did
anything.

I replaced with Standard motor Products
Blue Streak parts reluctor and pickup coil
rotor and cap... and that fixed it.

Second, the "advance" unit which is suppose to
be adjustable,was not at all...
no amount of turning the allen wrench did
anything.

So my advance was something like 58 degrees
Which I think their instruction book says is OK in reality you want no more than 35 degrees on
any street mopar (racers maybe different)

So I got it overhauled by FBO- its great now!
(overhaul means rephased and recurved...)

You can get the MP distributor, but I would send
it to Don at FBO with your specs, engine size,
carb size, etc......

I was very glad I did this.. His e-book
"Tuning to win" is a great read on the subject.

Best of luck to you!

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: itali83] #153645
11/25/08 02:16 PM
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MSD 6AL and Pro Billit Distributer, rev limiter and easy to change curve and stop.

If you go FBO be careful, they are getting sloppy, it took them two tries and the advance range was still way off. When I returned the distributer I did a google maps view and the distributer was going back to some house in a a neighborhood, 100+ miles away from Don's. I bet hes got some kid set up with a distributer machine in a garage setting these things up now.


Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: GTXKen] #153646
11/25/08 06:33 PM
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Thanks everyone for your input. I'm going to keep it simple and old school with the Mopar Performance Kit. Im not going to have someone build my distributor for me. That goes against the whole reason I'm rebuilding this car every nut and bolt. I've done everything so far and learned about it so I'm going to learn how and set up my own distributor as well. Thanks again


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Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: itali83] #153647
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With the mopar performance one you can buy the mallory kit and adjust everything yourself. You might want to try that before having someone else do it.

Re: What to get for igniton system? [Re: itali83] #153648
11/27/08 12:40 AM
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The current generation of orange mopar ignition boxes do not work very well. They have a tendency to retard the timing and create other maladies. The other problem is you think the car runs great with the orange box or at least ok..until you try something else. With that in mind the mopar set up is still the simplest way to go and I would just substitute the black FBO box for the orange box.

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