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What to get for igniton system?
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11/19/08 10:09 PM
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Hey everyone, I'm looking to buy an ignition system for my car. I'm doing a complete restification and have already built the motor but don't have anything to work with for acessories so I need to buy everything. I definitly want electronic ignition, the motor is a mild 440, .040" over, mild hydraulic cam, aluminum heads, dual plane intake, nothing crazy. It will be a street strip car with plenty of strip time. I was wondering if I should buy the conversion kit for my current distributor or buy a completely new one. Also, should I get a MSD box , and if so, which one is the best for what I need. I'd like to have a rev limiter but being an auto car, I don't know how much that'll be needed really. I need to start looking at pricing as I now have more of a budget to follow and no more "money is no object" scenario. Let me know what combo's work for you. Thanks in advance! 
'68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: itali83]
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11/19/08 11:27 PM
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I would consider FBO coil/ecu.
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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11/21/08 12:40 PM
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to me... Mopar performance ignition is good enough and still a Mopar
With a Charger born in Chrysler assembly plant in Valencia, Venezuela
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: NachoRT74]
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11/21/08 01:24 PM
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I got the MSD 6al thats black with a MP logo on it. You can run them off a stock elec distributor or points distributor, and it totally deletes that pesky ballast resistor.
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: itali83]
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11/22/08 09:40 AM
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I like MSD 6AL for a few reasons,works great with Mopar distributor,rev limiter,and reliable.Oh and one more,if it ever does fail just send it back to MSD and it will be better than new for around $30.00. Gus 
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: Lefty]
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11/22/08 01:28 PM
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I have a Pertronix distributor on the 440 in my Coronet and it works great. I checked the advance curve and it was already set up for a 440 per Ebergs article in Mopar Action. You don't need the MSD with this dist, it has the proven Pertronix module in it. I also have the 60,000 volt Pertronix "Flame Thrower" coil. The engine starts quickly with the setup. It is a vacuum advance dist. My fuel economy went up dramatically after hooking up the vacuum canister. Highly recommended for a street motor imo...
I dont recommend the Pertronix. I had bad results with it. I did back to back to back tests comparing the pertronix dizzy with my FBO dizzy and FBO box. With the pertronix the car would not idle correctly. Same timing both dizzys, no answer from pertronix as to why, although they did recommend different things to try (coil, direct 12v power feed, ect). Pop the FBO one back in and use its box, and car would idle perfect.
Plus the Pertronix you will need to grind on the head for it to fit (stock head).
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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I would pony up for a MSD.  The 6AL should be fine,,,,i have that in the Charger (street car),,,,and have a Digital 6Plus in the Belvedere (race car) I have run the MP orange,,and chrome,,,,and also did the FBO system...  I like the MSD by far... Much easier on starting,,,built in rev limiter,,,car ran ALOT better.......... I "hid" mine under the dash/glove box,,,and ran the wires thru the firewall....very clean looking.......  I had nothing but problems with the FBO stuff,,,kept burning ballast resisters,,,and then a ECU box.... 
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: 69CHARGERMD]
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I had nothing but problems with the FBO stuff,,,kept burning ballast resisters,,,and then a ECU box....
Same here.
Went thru 2 ballasts, then the FBO ECU failed, replaced with a MP chrome ECU, 1 more ballast then the MP ECU failed. All this within 1000 miles. I think it was the FBO coil causing the failures
Went back to a MP chrome, cheap Accel SS coil, 1.25 ohm ballast, 15,000 miles without a let down.
The MP chrome box is more than enough for most street cars (stay away from the MP orange box). If you want more, I'd go with a Mallory Hy-Fire 6al before the MSD 6al. You'll get more features for less $.
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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Thanks everyone for your input. What is this FBO set up some are talking about. I'm really looking at keeping it simple and getting the mopar performance electronic conversion kit. Distributor, wire harness, box, ballast all in one. I can always add an ignition box at a later time if needed but I really want to get this car together before gas is illegal or 50 bucks a gallon so I need to simplify things where I can. Thanks again.
'68 Roadrunner Built 440/727 4:10 filled 8 3/4 in the process of a ground up restification
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: OLD318]
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11/24/08 05:58 PM
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old318 did you have an issue with the MP dist? I have an FBO coil/ecu & was considering one for the adjustability & I understand it is made by Mallory? who I figure has better quality control than MP does.
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: itali83]
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11/24/08 07:48 PM
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I have the Crane HI6s box and coil with an MSD distributor in my 68 RR. Very nice and digital with rev limiter built in. For the money I'd consider the Crane ignition over the MSD 6AL.I
had problems with an MSD rev limiter on my MP
distributor. MSD says it won't work properly with a hall effects style pick up. If the new 440 source distributors will fire a Crane box that would be the way to go and definately get a vacuum advance unit. You need all the timing you can get (like 52 degrees as apposed to 38) to get any MPG...(I know I said MPG!!!)
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: THESHAKERPROJECT]
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11/24/08 08:36 PM
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The problem I have with the MSD or Petronics stuff is that when they fail they leave your car dead on the road. With the stock MP stuff you can swap out the control box/ballast/mag trigger and be on your way.
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Re: What to get for igniton system?
[Re: RapidRobert]
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11/25/08 02:04 PM
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old318 did you have an issue with the MP dist? I have an FBO coil/ecu & was considering one for the adjustability & I understand it is made by Mallory? who I figure has better quality control than MP does.
Oh yes, I bought the MP small block kit from
Glendora Dodge. Talk about a flawed kit.
First, the pickup coil and reluctor did not line up at all (vertically)..this caused the misallinged cylinders to misfire intermittantly..
and no amountof turning the allen wrench did
anything.
I replaced with Standard motor Products
Blue Streak parts reluctor and pickup coil
rotor and cap... and that fixed it.
Second, the "advance" unit which is suppose to
be adjustable,was not at all...
no amount of turning the allen wrench did
anything.
So my advance was something like 58 degrees
Which I think their instruction book says is OK in reality you want no more than 35 degrees on
any street mopar (racers maybe different)
So I got it overhauled by FBO- its great now!
(overhaul means rephased and recurved...)
You can get the MP distributor, but I would send
it to Don at FBO with your specs, engine size,
carb size, etc......
I was very glad I did this.. His e-book
"Tuning to win" is a great read on the subject.
Best of luck to you!
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