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Thinking of the darkside.... #1522321
10/23/13 10:17 PM
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Ok....I'll start by saying I LOVE MY ARROW...it's a blast to drive and I have won my fair share of rounds with it. That being said...who here has made the step from a door car to a rail?...and what were the results?....Rest easy it would still be Mopar powered.


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522322
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I'd love too! Especially if it was an FED.

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My thoughts......
Race what you enjoy racing the most. At the end of the day you are still gonna have to go to your day job to pay the bills
In other words, keep the door car, it has tons more character


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Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: B3422W5] #1522324
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scared me i thought you were gonna run a big rock chevy...yea they're better but any bonehead can press the easy button

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522325
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Don't do it will can you try it out before you switch? Some people love them others don't I've know a few that tried them and didn't like it.

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: jamesc] #1522326
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scared me i thought you were gonna run a big rock chevy...yea they're better but any bonehead can press the easy button




Hey....don't call me a bonehead when I'm thinking about buying your car.. ...actually I'm trying to figure out how to keep the Arrow and buy your car..


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: JD Dart] #1522327
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Don't do it will can you try it out before you switch? Some people love them others don't I've know a few that tried them and didn't like it.




Try it first!

http://dougfoley.com/

http://www.frankhawley.com/

http://royhillsdragracingschool.com/

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: RodStRace] #1522328
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After 18yrs of waiting for the right time, I finally got me a dragster. Hope to make my first pass in it next week.

Good Luck

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Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522329
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Eric,

I have yet to drive one, but I have been interested in the Alterds more than the other pipe racks.

Couple things to consider, even outside of will the cage fit me, etc...Re-sale value, suspended vs. rigid, overall length, Front brakes, etc....I have been wanting to try an Altered, but after watching some of those, they can be more than a handful. Obviously, a rail will be much more stable. I agree with the rest, try one, then decide.

For me to consider one, it would have to be suspended, have front brakes and a regular wheel. Its a tall order, hence I stay with a door car. Heck most people don't take a second look at the a the dragsters or Altereds, so I guess its all in the eye's of the beholder and what your goals are.

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Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Dragula] #1522330
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Do it! That way I can drive it and see if I like it too!

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: wafflebatter] #1522331
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I drove an altered for a local guy for 2 years while I was building my car. What I liked about it was the visibility. You can see the front wheels. What I didn't like was getting a face shield covered with coolant, gasoline or oil. You are out in the weather, when it's cold outside it's a lot colder at 140 mph. Also when it's hot and sunny outside it's a lot hotter sitting in the lanes. I also didn't really care for the wind buffeting my helmet at speed.

I'll stick with my door car.


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Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522332
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Eric, As you know I switched.

Dragsters have no “personality”. My 66 Charger did. No one will come up to you and say how much they love your dragster or how they had one of those when they were young. I enjoyed that side of racing the charger. With that being said, I really do like racing a dragster. Maintenance on the dragster is a lot easier and one of the reasons I switched. As I got older crawling around the car got increasingly more difficult. With the dragster, everything is out in the open and easy to access. For me, the reduction in weight was almost 1700 (3650 to 1950) pounds so the wear and tear on the parts was considerably less. I race alone, so I do find that loading and unloading the dragster is a little more work than the car. I honestly don’t know why that is, but it does take me longer!

I had major issues with engines and transmissions this year, but I did buy a “new” 2004 dragster. Here are a few things that I think are important to racing a dragster with a mopar engine. Of course buying a dragster already fitted up with a mopar engine and glide, eliminates some of the items you will have to deal with!

1. Frame rails have got to be at least 20 inches between the inside edges of the pipe where the motor sits to easily clear the oil pump and starter. Tighter can be made to work, but 20 inches would be my recommendation.
2. An oil accumulator is a good thing to have because with a dragster pan and even with good trap doors, at 170 MPH stops at PRP, the oil does uncover the pickup at times
3. Stopping at PRP with a hardtail with no front suspension at 170 is going to be difficult. It is too easy to get the chassis into a bounce and they are hard to recover from. I have been there. You travel and race at many tracks, I would think you would want some suspension. People say good things about adding a front suspension to a hardtail. Cost is under $2000.
4. I prefer to run no alternator and a 16 volt system. While not a big deal, if you are used to running an alternator, you may find it challenging to have to charge all the time between rounds, or find it difficult to fit in the alternator between the frame rails.
5. Plumbing in the radiator becomes somewhat expensive because most of the dragster radiators have AN fittings, and only the more expensive water pump housings are AN capable. The old reliable 1 ¼ hose clamp setups and radiators can be made to work, but they require a lot of fitting up.
6. You’ll need a shorty gear set for the glide and a shorty cover.
7. Avoid the “lay down” dragster seating. You race 8.90 stuff and seeing the finish line is a must. The lay down visibility is not great for seeing the stripe and the opponent.

Bob

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522333
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Eric,

I have driven door cars, 23 left hand roadsters and this. I love them all.


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Ok....I'll start by saying I LOVE MY ARROW...it's a blast to drive and I have won my fair share of rounds with it. That being said...who here has made the step from a door car to a rail?...and what were the results?....Rest easy it would still be Mopar powered.


if you ever get in a dragster you will never want to go back.

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Quicktree] #1522335
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I think the bracket racer in you will love the visibility, ease of maintenence and how cheap it is to go fast.


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I think the bracket racer in you will love the visibility, ease of maintenence and how cheap it is to go fast.


how cheap it is



Thats it ----- now we know he's gonna get a stick



Russ

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: max_maniac] #1522337
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I think the bracket racer in you will love the visibility, ease of maintenence and how cheap it is to go fast.


how cheap it is



Thats it ----- now we know he's gonna get a stick



Russ




Hey I want you to know I just changed the sparkplugs in the Arrow.....new ones even


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Thinking of the darkside.... [Re: Eric] #1522338
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Dang Eric, I just sold my RED with a Best Machine stroker in it for cheap. The RED was fun at first then it got boring. It was deadly consistent, easy to drive and easy to work on. All I had to do was point it down the track, let go of the button and hang on. The most exciting part of driving the RED was stopping it on these short tracks down here. A door car is more of a challenge to drive and way more fun. I wish I had kept the Cuda Chassis car.

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Split the difference and go with a roadster.

Easy to work on and light weight but not a pain to load and unload.


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Split the difference and go with a roadster.

Easy to work on and light weight but not a pain to load and unload.




Love yours ....and it's a possibility


5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

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