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Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? #1519807
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About to purchase the controller and wiring harness for a carbed G3. MSD site says It won't work on a 6.1. What gives I thought the reluctor wheels were the same it was only the 09 and up 5.7 and 6,4 that the reluctor wheel went to more teeth?
Or is it the sensor on the 6.1 is not the same as the 5.7 and the harness won't plug into?
Any help will be appreciated. Matt

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It works for me. There is a different harness depending on coils used and the cam and crank sensors need to be the older large plug style.

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: STEFF] #1519809
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Thanks STEFF. I'be searched about 50 posts and came up with nothing specific.
Your old engine I believe was a 6.1. So the 6013 controller and the harness for coil on plug :not the plug wires that cross over the intake, are good?
Matt.

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: MattW] #1519810
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Last I talked to Josh at HHP he said the best coils to use is the stock coils...he tosses those MSD ones.

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Last I talked to Josh at HHP he said the best coils to use is the stock coils...he tosses those MSD ones.




Just getting the controller and harness no coils. Tbd for the heads up. Matt

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: MattW] #1519812
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Thanks STEFF. I'be searched about 50 posts and came up with nothing specific.
Your old engine I believe was a 6.1. So the 6013 controller and the harness for coil on plug :not the plug wires that cross over the intake, are good?
Matt.




Yes, I use the 6.1 coils. If you go to the MSD site, you can download the instructions for the 6013 and it clearly shows the 2 harness options in it
I think you can use it on the other coils as well with the right harness. You buy the harness seperately from the 6013..

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The 3rd Gen coils we offer are only for extreme cylinder pressures. Steff has the 2nd Gen, good until around 12lbs of boost. Being able to adjust the dwell is a must to bee able to use our "Uber" coils. AJ at Arrington know all about them, as he is using them on his car.


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Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: sunroofgtx] #1519814
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Thanks people. Just got off the MSD website and the contoller is for 5.7/6.1 then you click on it and it says will not fit the 6.1. WTF
Anyway will be ordering the 6013 along with the 88864 harness that works with the 06-07 coil on plug. Matt

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: MattW] #1519815
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Matt you can run it fine...just a couple of sensors are not compatible....just get the later harness...and the later 5.7 Cam and crank sensors.

The guys at MSD don't know sh1t unfo.

The other issue is the tune that is provided by MSD..follow these two links and learn all about both issues........

http://moparskunkwerks.wordpress.com/27-dec-12-making-sense-of-the-sensors/

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=254123


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Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: Moparmal] #1519816
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No problem..anytime.

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Matt you can run it fine...just a couple of sensors are not compatible....just get the later harness...and the later 5.7 Cam and crank sensors.

The guys at MSD don't know sh1t unfo.

The other issue is the tune that is provided by MSD..follow these two links and learn all about both issues........

http://moparskunkwerks.wordpress.com/27-dec-12-making-sense-of-the-sensors/

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=254123





Thanks for advice from someone with hands on and the links.


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Matt you can run it fine...just a couple of sensors are not compatible....just get the later harness...and the later 5.7 Cam and crank sensors.

The guys at MSD don't know sh1t unfo.

The other issue is the tune that is provided by MSD..follow these two links and learn all about both issues........

http://moparskunkwerks.wordpress.com/27-dec-12-making-sense-of-the-sensors/

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=254123






Thanks Brother. Matt

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: Moparmal] #1519819
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Your welcome

Be aware that my sensors were from a 6.1 crate motor and weren't compatible with the later MSD harness.... Earlier 6.1s may not have this issue.

I can guarantee that sensor compatibility will be you only problem.

Maybe I should get a green card and work for MSD !

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Your welcome

Be aware that my sensors were from a 6.1 crate motor and weren't compatible with the later MSD harness.... Earlier 6.1s may not have this issue.

I can guarantee that sensor compatibility will be you only problem.

Maybe I should get a green card and work for MSD !




So will a 5.7 sensor fit the 6.1 block?
Or do I cut the harness and graph the 6.1 plug on it?

What ever you do DON'T leave your country. You guys have your sh$t together.

Re: Part#6013 Hemi 6 ignition controller? [Re: MattW] #1519821
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Yes, the later 5.7 cam and crank sensors are a direct plug and play into the 6.1 block.

I posted the part #s on my blog which is that first link I put up.

FWIW most of what I know I learned from guys on other forums ...... Ive found most parts suppliers like TTI and MSD have been useless - even Bob Mazzolini was more help!


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