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Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: Dan@Hotchkis] #1519618 03/20/14 02:49 PM 03/20/14 02:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Curious, installed the box today. Rotated the box to find center (almost 4 turns) I was wondering about half way, you can feel some resistance (for about half a turn) then its easy peasy again. Is this normal? Mind you this is just the steering column hooked up to the box. I haven't installed the pitman arm or any ps hoses.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519619 03/21/14 04:28 PM 03/21/14 04:28 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA B BergmanAutoCraft master
BergmanAutoCraft master B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA	Perfectly normal. The "high spot" is tight. When centered the flat faces the driver side frame rail.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: BergmanAutoCraft] #1519620 03/21/14 11:11 PM 03/21/14 11:11 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: Perfectly normal. The "high spot" is tight. When centered the flat faces the driver side frame rail. great thanks! your coupler is the cats meow

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: BigBlockMopar] #1519621 03/26/14 07:41 PM 03/26/14 07:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Question about reinstallng the pitman arm on this box, I put on the arm, only half the threads on the arm are engaged, I tightened the nut on first to get more engagement but when I take it off and put the lock nut and nut back on im just barly flush with the bottom of the steering box shaft. Is this normal?

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519622 03/26/14 08:25 PM 03/26/14 08:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	I think I might have been a tad past flush. I used my original arm too. It will only go so far before the torque spec is met. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1519623 03/26/14 09:20 PM 03/26/14 09:20 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: I think I might have been a tad past flush. I used my original arm too. It will only go so far before the torque spec is met. using the fast ratio arm I guess as long as I get my 175lbs of torque? Right now its not quite flush. I need a bigger torque wrench...

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519624 03/26/14 09:39 PM 03/26/14 09:39 PM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada brads70 super stock
brads70 super stock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada	Quote: Quote: I think I might have been a tad past flush. I used my original arm too. It will only go so far before the torque spec is met. using the fast ratio arm I guess as long as I get my 175lbs of torque? Right now its not quite flush. I need a bigger torque wrench... Got any pictures? The position of that arm affects bumpsteer.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: brads70] #1519625 03/26/14 10:42 PM 03/26/14 10:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Quote: Quote: Quote: I think I might have been a tad past flush. I used my original arm too. It will only go so far before the torque spec is met. using the fast ratio arm I guess as long as I get my 175lbs of torque? Right now its not quite flush. I need a bigger torque wrench... Got any pictures? The position of that arm affects bumpsteer. I agree that it could if it was way out of whack. There really isnt a remedy to press that arm on any further short of hydraulic press and possibly splitting it. He has an aftermarket arm and the tolerances may be Chinese. I will go out and take a pic of mine. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: brads70] #1519626 03/27/14 02:01 AM 03/27/14 02:01 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: Quote: Quote: I think I might have been a tad past flush. I used my original arm too. It will only go so far before the torque spec is met. using the fast ratio arm I guess as long as I get my 175lbs of torque? Right now its not quite flush. I need a bigger torque wrench... Got any pictures? The position of that arm affects bumpsteer. I'll take a pic, I tried centering the wheels and the ps box before i put on the pitman arm. how does it affect bumpsteer?

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519627 03/27/14 06:48 AM 03/27/14 06:48 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	If not seated properly it could cause the centerlink to be out of parallel with the car, causing uneven linkage motion. I've got one or 2 threads showing. BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: 1fastabody] #1519628 03/28/14 12:42 AM 03/28/14 12:42 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	took a quick pic - I pulled it off, repositioned it and put it on 3 times and got the same results every time so screw it, I got my 175lbs of torque on it, its not going anywhere

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519629 03/28/14 04:13 AM 03/28/14 04:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: took a quick pic - I pulled it off, repositioned it and put it on 3 times and got the same results every time so screw it, I got my 175lbs of torque on it, its not going anywhere Quote: I'm not liking the difference between these two pictures both with Borgeson Boxes. I know of another Borgeson that the installer said it put the pitman in a different place and the centrelink was not parallel. I thought it was an anomaly with that car or pitman, but what dangina has posted has me wondering what is going on.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: autoxcuda] #1519630 03/28/14 05:04 AM 03/28/14 05:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	Quote: I'm not liking the difference between these two pictures both with Borgeson Boxes. I know of another Borgeson that the installer said it put the pitman in a different place and the centrelink was not parallel. I thought it was an anomaly with that car or pitman, but what dangina has posted has me wondering what is going on. The fast ratio arm has no center link like the old pitman had. I can't remember who the other poster on here said they were gonna run a fast ratio on their boregson, I wondered how his turned out?

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519631 03/28/14 05:53 AM 03/28/14 05:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: Quote: I'm not liking the difference between these two pictures both with Borgeson Boxes. I know of another Borgeson that the installer said it put the pitman in a different place and the centrelink was not parallel. I thought it was an anomaly with that car or pitman, but what dangina has posted has me wondering what is going on. The fast ratio arm has no center link like the old pitman had. I can't remember who the other poster on here said they were gonna run a fast ratio on their boregson, I wondered how his turned out? I meant this being the centerlink:

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: autoxcuda] #1519632 03/28/14 06:17 AM 03/28/14 06:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands BigBlockMopar master
BigBlockMopar master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,575 The Netherlands	For everyone's info, I have a small sector Borg-Box and used (I recall) a '72 manual steering pitman. This might explain the difference in the nut's thread-engagement. BigBlockMopar.com

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: dangina] #1519633 03/28/14 09:32 AM 03/28/14 09:32 AM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada brads70 super stock
brads70 super stock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada	Quote: Quote: I'm not liking the difference between these two pictures both with Borgeson Boxes. I know of another Borgeson that the installer said it put the pitman in a different place and the centrelink was not parallel. I thought it was an anomaly with that car or pitman, but what dangina has posted has me wondering what is going on. The fast ratio arm has no center link like the old pitman had. I can't remember who the other poster on here said they were gonna run a fast ratio on their boregson, I wondered how his turned out? Are you referring to the master spline in the arm? I'm not liking the looks of that either? Does the center link sit parallel and flat in both axis? It appears the splines are not cut deep enough on the shaft in the steering box? Looks like they got it right on the small sector shaft box but the large one needs a little "tweaking" ? Fast ratio or standard, small or large sector shaft, they should both sit in the same position on the steering box. Last edited by brads70; 03/28/14 09:38 AM.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: brads70] #1519634 03/28/14 10:32 AM 03/28/14 10:32 AM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	I would question the aftermarket pitman arm before throwing the box under the bus. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1519635 03/28/14 10:42 AM 03/28/14 10:42 AM
Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 153 Wildwood, FL 1fastabody OP member
1fastabody OP member Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 153 Wildwood, FL	Do you have the old pitman arm or another pitman arm that you can try? This would take the pitman arm out of the question. I know a lot of these replacement parts are machined over seas and the quality control is not that great.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1519636 03/28/14 10:45 AM 03/28/14 10:45 AM
Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada brads70 super stock
brads70 super stock Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 813 Ontario,Canada	Quote: I would question the aftermarket pitman arm before throwing the box under the bus. Good point I assumed he just replaced the box with an existing set up.

Re: Borgeson Stering Box [Re: brads70] #1519637 03/28/14 02:03 PM 03/28/14 02:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: Quote: I would question the aftermarket pitman arm before throwing the box under the bus. Good point I assumed he just replaced the box with an existing set up. I agree. And Dangina is using a Quick Ratio pitman arm that is a low volume speciality item, not a bread and butter pitman that fits 1/4 million cars like the regular ratio one. But I would like to figure what is going on because this is the second time I've heard of this from someone using the box. I believe what determines the up and down position of the pitman is the taper in the splines. There is not a definitive land/shelf than the pitman hits. It's just the interference between the straight splines in the pitman against he taper of the splines at the end of the steering sector shaft. IMHO, it's a machining feature that is a little tough to check. Last edited by autoxcuda; 03/28/14 02:08 PM.

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