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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: 70moparmike]
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10/22/13 01:05 PM
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can you use the fast ratio idler and pitman arm with tti headers? 69 b/b b body? thanks
The pitman and idler should be in the same place as with a factory box. So if it worked with a factory box, it should in theory work with the Borgeson.
Caution: That would give you somewhere very roughly in the range of 10:1 to 11:1 steering ratio with the 14:1 Borgeson box. Be prepared for that.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: autoxcuda]
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10/22/13 11:09 PM
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10 OR 11 TO 1 RATIO WOULD BE AWESOME!!! GO FOR IT!!! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.. FASTEST STEERING POSSIBLE!!!
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: BigBlockMopar]
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10/23/13 01:24 AM
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What size is your steering wheel? If fast ratio arms will fit my car with a Gen III and headers I would try them at least. Right now with a 14" wheel and the Borgeson I am totally happy as I can steer and shift smoothly without loss of control. I havent found myself TOO busy at all. Autox brings a whole different set of "needs" to the table I expect.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: Mopar Mitch]
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10/23/13 10:48 PM
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10 OR 11 TO 1 RATIO WOULD BE AWESOME!!! GO FOR IT!!! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.. FASTEST STEERING POSSIBLE!!!
I wondered about this - is this too much for daily driving? I have the borgeson box and both stock and fast ratio pitman and idler arms at my disposal
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: dangina]
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10/24/13 01:56 AM
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10 OR 11 TO 1 RATIO WOULD BE AWESOME!!! GO FOR IT!!! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.. FASTEST STEERING POSSIBLE!!!
I wondered about this - is this too much for daily driving? I have the borgeson box and both stock and fast ratio pitman and idler arms at my disposal
Perfect if you have a way to set toe adjustment at home. Now you can check both ratios to what YOU LIKE. Ratio is mostly driver preference within a range. In an autocross though, very quick is almost always what drivers want.
I'd accurately measure each tie rod now to the 16th/32nd of inch and count threads exposed and check toe with plate or tread edge. Then put the fast ratio stuff on. Then reset toe only with tape measures and plates/edge.
If you want to go back, go back to your tie rod measurements, thread counts, and total toe measurements.
Get a ride height measurement at current and each total toe measurement. Measure and adjust each time on same location on the floor. Marking it with some tape on the floor is handy.
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: autoxcuda]
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10/24/13 08:08 AM
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10 OR 11 TO 1 RATIO WOULD BE AWESOME!!! GO FOR IT!!! THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.. FASTEST STEERING POSSIBLE!!!
I wondered about this - is this too much for daily driving? I have the borgeson box and both stock and fast ratio pitman and idler arms at my disposal
Perfect if you have a way to set toe adjustment at home. Now you can check both ratios to what YOU LIKE. Ratio is mostly driver preference within a range. In an autocross though, very quick is almost always what drivers want.
I'd accurately measure each tie rod now to the 16th/32nd of inch and count threads exposed and check toe with plate or tread edge. Then put the fast ratio stuff on. Then reset toe only with tape measures and plates/edge.
If you want to go back, go back to your tie rod measurements, thread counts, and total toe measurements.
Get a ride height measurement at current and each total toe measurement. Measure and adjust each time on same location on the floor. Marking it with some tape on the floor is handy.
whats a good starting point when you put all of your front suspension together? I have a castor/camber guage as well as a bump steer guage. I think I understand your description on toe, Do you check toe with the weight on the ground or when the spindle is at the top (like simulating the same as you do for bump steer?
Also on you tie rods, what lengths do you start your tie rods at?
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Re: Borgeson Stering Box
[Re: dickdale]
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10/24/13 09:07 AM
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How much lighter is the Borgeson over the factory unit ?
Borgeson weighs 22 pounds... Stock, anyone?
I read somewhere that they weighed 37 lbs.(stock) I don't have one to weigh but I think that is close.
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. From what it sounds like, this would take care of the interference with the header, take care of my sloppy steering and give it a bit faster ratio. 
