turbo motor
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10/17/13 11:15 AM
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thinking about doing a turbo small block goal is to run in the 8s in a 3600lbs aspen how would you build it ready set go thanks guys oh and must run on pump gas plan on a snow meth kit
75 duster 440 in the works
71 pro street cuda
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Re: turbo motor
[Re: 1fastaspen]
#1518839
10/17/13 01:32 PM
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I would run a single Borg warner S500-88. Has big enough turbine to support a V8 engine and support you power goals.
Would also run at least 9:1 compression and keep the cam around 230-240 duration @ .050 using solid roller.
Allan G.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: turbo motor
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10/17/13 11:41 PM
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thinking about doing a turbo small block goal is to run in the 8s in a 3600lbs aspen how would you build it ready set go thanks guys oh and must run on pump gas plan on a snow meth kit
No way you can do that with any stock parts, blocks, heads, crank and so on   I would start with all new race parts and be very careful and choosy on which parts I bought, big C.I. short block, 434 C.I. or bigger, big heads and intake and F.I. or multiple carbs  My 2750 lb. tube chasi Cuda race car with a 675 HP BB on E85 will run real close to 8.99 now at 145 MPH, your wanting to do that with another 850 lbs in the car on pump gas   Keep us updated
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: turbo motor
[Re: dvw]
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10/18/13 02:44 AM
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i am going to try and get as much weight off this pig as i can glass hood bumpers light breaks trim the k member coil overs up front ladder bars and a dana maybe a glass deck lid also
75 duster 440 in the works
71 pro street cuda
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Re: turbo motor
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10/18/13 10:19 AM
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I am not sure a stock Gen III block can take that kind of power consistantly. And I think you will need a little more than 1,000 hp to get in the 8's at 3600 lbs. If so, use that, if not, aftermarket block. Other than that, a properly sized turbo with a matched camshaft and good heads should get you there. I would suggest FI at the power level. Don't expect it to be cheap!
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Re: turbo motor
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10/18/13 10:49 AM
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FI and intercooling a must at this power level. Precise fuel and spark management will be needed to make it live.
Allan G.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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Re: turbo motor
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10/18/13 07:56 PM
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Them Chevy guys on Yellowbullet say you can make a easy 1000 hp with a stock ls with a turbo. I think they are smoking something though....
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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10/18/13 09:26 PM
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Them Chevy guys on Yellowbullet say you can make a easy 1000 hp with a stock ls with a turbo. I think they are smoking something though....
There's plenty of quick ones , but. Show me 8 seconds on pump gas @3600. I think not, but I'd be impressed.
Doug
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Re: turbo motor
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10/18/13 10:24 PM
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thinking about doing a turbo small block goal is to run in the 8s in a 3600lbs aspen how would you build it ready set go thanks guys oh and must run on pump gas plan on a snow meth kit
do you truly realize what you're asking?
first you need 1000+ HP, then you need the chassis to put it down. and you want to do this on pump swill with a single turbo SB
good luck with that
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10/18/13 11:27 PM
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Them Chevy guys on Yellowbullet say you can make a easy 1000 hp with a stock ls with a turbo. I think they are smoking something though....
chevy guys think their 383 strokers make 500hp at the rear wheels w/ a small hydro cam.
My buddy runs a tube chassis Omni w/ a 392ish 360 based SB w/ W2 or 5 heads, I can never remember, 1x100mm turbo no inner cooler, turbo 400 trans, 3.73 gears and runs 8's on easy passes (foot brake). Car has run 174mph on 3/4 pass. I think he runs a 670ish solid roller, too hear him talk the bottom end isn't much at all... it's all in the turbo.
It can be done, but with all your weight you're gonna need a BIG turbo or twins... He's on here from time to time, his user name is Raymond. PM him. He's a wealth of knowledge.
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Re: turbo motor
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10/18/13 11:37 PM
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Them Chevy guys on Yellowbullet say you can make a easy 1000 hp with a stock ls with a turbo. I think they are smoking something though....
There's plenty of quick ones , but. Show me 8 seconds on pump gas @3600. I think not, but I'd be impressed.
Doug
If you give an allowance for E85+meth...8.39/163
Check out the street car Nova of Stock48, 3300lb, radio, caltracs, ect.
Factory bottom end, 317 headed, 6.0L LQ4.
23PSI, billet 476/92/T4 1.25AR, 218/218 112lsa
Powerglide, 3.23 rear gear.
http://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1665013-76mm-street-nova-runs-8-39-163-75-mph.html
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=590407
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Re: turbo motor
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10/19/13 09:40 AM
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E85 has already been 7's on V6 turbo motor so just about anything can be done.
Allan G.
1970 Challenger w/572 Hemi street car and my pride and joy.
1986 T-Type with 272 Stage 2 Buick V6 engine - True 8 second street car. Just updated the engine and put down 928 HP @ 35# boost to the ground on chasis dyno.
1976 Cee Bee Avenger Jet Boat - 460 Ford powered.
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10/19/13 10:24 AM
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Check out the street car Nova of Stock48
That car is getting it done for sure, but as mentioned is on e85 not pump gas.
Also there is a 25 page thread of gawker following it too. Definately the exception to the norm.
That being said a new hemi could do it. I know everyone freaks out when you mention big power and stock parts, but the turbo stuff is sooo easy on parts. My stock block, cast crank, stock rod 360 has been 136mph @3700 lbs with 20psi. Now that's not 1000hp but I bet it's close to 750hp. But it's all parts that would never like at this power level n/a either.
My next build will be a new hemi. The most I've heard on a stock block is 1350hp. But I've seen a bunch at the 1000hp level.
No way would I try it on pump gas though. Just set up two tunes if you really want pump gas. 6~700hp low boost for the street, and turn it up with good fuel.
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Re: turbo motor
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10/19/13 12:54 PM
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Hard to say where the dollars of the build start and stop. Do mufflers, fuel lines, and radiators count? Or are you asking about just the motor? I was building a grandma virgin sleeper from scratch so I had a lot of nickel and dime stuff. If someone had a 12sec small block decent street car to start with it could be done pretty cheap.
Assuming the motor was good and all you were doing was swapping pistons and cam to lower compression and get the turbo cam in it, and putting a tight converter in it... I bet it could be done for just about $3500~$4000 if you did all the work yourself.
But that is just a street car. If you want to try and bracket race it, add boost controller, digital ignition, trans brake, etc... It can add up for that stuff.
Maybe I should start selling kits... Lol
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Re: turbo motor
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10/19/13 01:21 PM
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Was thinking w8 heads and an air to air inter cooler and meth don't see any reason it can't be done the ford and Chevy guy are doing it on pump gas
75 duster 440 in the works
71 pro street cuda
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Re: turbo motor
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10/20/13 01:45 PM
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I had a b engine, factory block, modified factory caps, factory crank, running in the 8s at 3700lbs with 3.50 gears, on pump gas. You need to throw out all the so called "turbo secrets". You want a cam that somewhat contaminates the intake charge. A bit of "EGR effect" helps with pump gas. The weak part of the factory blocks(if tuned correctly) is the cylinder walls. They WILL get barrel shaped. This is because you are making power all the way down the bore.(assuming you have the timing where it should be) Most important is the tune. EFI and D.I.S. are must haves, and boost levels should not be limited to anything most people suggest.
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