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Ever see a 440-1 head like this? #1514515 10/09/13 03:43 PM 10/09/13 03:43 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Car slowed at half track and subsequent autopsy revealed #3 and 5 combustion chambers BURNED thru the aluminum and the 5319 Fel-Pro gasket. No other damage. 500in 14-1comp 36deg timing C14 fuel. No signs of corrosion. ??? [tboomer meltdown?] 7881504-440-1.jpg (345 downloads) The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514516 10/09/13 03:47 PM 10/09/13 03:47 PM
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VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	is it warped? aluminum heads are very delicate. If it warped, that damage could follow very soon after Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514517 10/09/13 03:48 PM 10/09/13 03:48 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,181 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,181 Bend,OR USA	I've expereinced that with a iron set of Max wedge heads with the Fel Pro composition head gaskets, it took the block out also Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1514518 10/09/13 04:42 PM 10/09/13 04:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	14-1 you may want to run Cometics after you get her repaired. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514519 10/09/13 04:57 PM 10/09/13 04:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 290 Cincinnati, Ohio d7cook enthusiast
d7cook enthusiast Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 290 Cincinnati, Ohio	Head gasket failure, weld up the head, use Cometics. 1967 Coronet, 1989 Daytona tube chassis. Former cars, 66 Charger, 67 R/T, 69 Coronet, 67 Dart GT. -Banned for life from V8Buick.com-

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: d7cook] #1514520 10/09/13 06:38 PM 10/09/13 06:38 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Quote: Head gasket failure, weld up the head, use Cometics. That's what the consensus seems to be...also blew out #7 header gasket on the same pass. What a combined weird sound. Thanx guys. The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514521 10/09/13 06:54 PM 10/09/13 06:54 PM
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Performance Only top fuel P Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,091 Delray beach, Florida	Quote: Car slowed at half track and subsequent autopsy revealed #3 and 5 combustion chambers BURNED thru the aluminum and the 5319 Fel-Pro gasket. No other damage. 500in 14-1comp 36deg timing C14 fuel. No signs of corrosion. ??? [tboomer meltdown?] It's the hottest part of the head, the wrong head gasket and possibly just a degree or two of too much timing. machine shop owner and engine builder

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Performance Only] #1514522 10/09/13 09:41 PM 10/09/13 09:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,836 MI, usa dvw master
dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,836 MI, usa	I've seen it more than once on iron big blocks. Nearly every time, to much timing. Why are you running 36 on a -1, I run 32? Mine slowed down .5 mph at 34. 28 only slowed the car .05. I've never tried 30. Doug

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: dvw] #1514523 10/09/13 10:19 PM 10/09/13 10:19 PM
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Dads426 pro stock D Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,443 Maryland	If you look at the fire ring on the head it is off center. The chamber on the right has very little material covering the steel ring in the gasket. Put the head on the bare block and be sure the chambers are centered over the bore. Either the block is off, the dowl holes in the head or the gasket are not drilled properly. I had one gasket deteriorate, but not burn through about 5 years ago on a particular block (found it on inspection). 2012 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2013 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2014 422 Allstars NSS Champion

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: dvw] #1514524 10/09/13 10:23 PM 10/09/13 10:23 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	This is a 10yr old well sorted out combo {Lynn Balek]. We don't thing timing was a factor. NO signs of detonation. Just stuff happens. The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514525 10/10/13 07:55 AM 10/10/13 07:55 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,925 United Socialist States of Ame... T tboomer Too Many Posts
tboomer Too Many Posts T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,925 United Socialist States of Ame...	Sorry to see that Billy... Is Balek going to fix her up? The track was biting pretty good and my suspension also took a beating that day. See ya next year!! Need your rear end checked out? Contact Grizzly!!

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514526 10/10/13 08:03 AM 10/10/13 08:03 AM
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Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: This is a 10yr old well sorted out combo {Lynn Balek]. We don't thing timing was a factor. NO signs of detonation. Just stuff happens. I used copper head gaskets and wire and receiver grooves for a combo like that.

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514527 10/10/13 11:19 AM 10/10/13 11:19 AM
Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 290 Cincinnati, Ohio d7cook enthusiast
d7cook enthusiast Joined: Aug 2006 Posts: 290 Cincinnati, Ohio	Quote: Quote: Head gasket failure, weld up the head, use Cometics. That's what the consensus seems to be...also blew out #7 header gasket on the same pass. What a combined weird sound. Thanx guys. When they weld up the head it'll get milled as well. Plan on taking in the other head to have it milled to match. Also I've ran Cometic head gaskets on old blocks with a rough cut deck even though cometics call for a smooth surface so you may or may not want to deck the block. 1967 Coronet, 1989 Daytona tube chassis. Former cars, 66 Charger, 67 R/T, 69 Coronet, 67 Dart GT. -Banned for life from V8Buick.com-

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514528 10/10/13 02:10 PM 10/10/13 02:10 PM
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jamesc master J Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,875 communist bloc of new jersey	Quote: 5319 Fel-Pro gasket i'm not familiar with that number, anyone else?

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: jamesc] #1514529 10/10/13 02:34 PM 10/10/13 02:34 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,174 PA.	Quote: Quote: 5319 Fel-Pro gasket i'm not familiar with that number, anyone else? I googled that number and nothing came up up. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1514530 10/10/13 03:04 PM 10/10/13 03:04 PM
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dodger mope enthusiast D Joined: Jul 2010 Posts: 224 in the middle	it might be interesting to see the head gasket on the other side. might be a clue if the gasket died a slow death because of a hair too much timing?

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: dodger mope] #1514531 10/10/13 03:36 PM 10/10/13 03:36 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon	I usually run 35 degrees with the Indy head so 36 should work. Might be a topic for a different thread but maybe everyone with Indy heads should compare ignition timing. Might be interesting to see what different people are running.

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: jamesc] #1514532 10/10/13 03:42 PM 10/10/13 03:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,036 Oregon	Quote: Quote: 5319 Fel-Pro gasket i'm not familiar with that number, anyone else? No such Fel Pro number so it is a typo. Only Fel Pro gasket that would be good at 14:1 is the 1105. The 1105 is for big bore engines and it is 0.051 thick so it requires a special setup. Cometic is probably the way to go on this engine.

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: AndyF] #1514533 10/10/13 04:16 PM 10/10/13 04:16 PM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota Barnstorm OP mopar
Barnstorm OP mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	My bad...Fel-Pro 8519 PT1 The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: Ever see a 440-1 head like this? [Re: Barnstorm] #1514534 10/10/13 05:05 PM 10/10/13 05:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 903 Saskatchewan, Canada cudabin super stock
cudabin super stock Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 903 Saskatchewan, Canada	I know every combo is different, but I made best power at 34 degrees with my CNC345cc -1 Heads on the dyno... Runs OK there for me and less stress on the bearings etc IMO. Good luck with it! Arnie 67 Cuda 8.48@ 158.7 mph 1.18 60' 2,600 DA(so far...) 70 Super Bee 440 Six Pack 4-speed. 13.2 @ 104 Stock exhaust/Street tires.

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