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2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane #1514443
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Anyone using 87 octane fuel for the their 2013 Challenger R/T with manual transmission? Any pinging? Thanks.

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: GMP440] #1514444
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I have a 2010 SRT 6 speed. 87 octane will be fine but expect power to be down. As soon as engine senses knock it will retard spark and add more fuel to prevent detonation. You will never hear it! You will see less MPG and less performance. Lets see here.... you bought a performance car and want to put cheap fuel in it to lower its performance???? Hmmmm

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514445
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I use 93, runs better with it, I have the tune to use higher octane too. Before the tune it still ran better with higher octane.

-Daty

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: Daty Rogers] #1514446
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I use 93, runs better with it, I have the tune to use higher octane too. Before the tune it still ran better with higher octane.

-Daty



I agree 100%. My SRT will knock down 24 MPG at 80mph. I have friends with the active displacement 5.7s that get 28MPG. What he will save buying 87 octane he will lose due to lower efficiency/higher consumption.

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514447
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I get up to 26 at that speed with mine. Granted I did a few things with mine, got the tickets to prove it, oh well,,, To the OP, run the higher octane, it's worth it. Just in driveabilty it's worth it. Don't cripple your R/T. It'll still be stout with 87 but so much better with 91/93. Mine's a stick. I get in so much trouble in NTx and the Panhandle with this. Glad they didn't nail me at 142.

-Daty

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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: Daty Rogers] #1514448
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I get up to 26 at that speed with mine. Granted I did a few things with mine, got the tickets to prove it, oh well,,, To the OP, run the higher octane, it's worth it. Just in driveabilty it's worth it. Don't cripple your R/T. It'll still be stout with 87 but so much better with 91/93. Mine's a stick. I get in so much trouble in NTx and the Panhandle with this. Glad they didn't nail me at 142.

-Daty


Took my brother for a ride in the SRT... realized at 160 MPH that I'd be going straight to jail if I got caught. It was still pulling strong. Im a believer that the SRTs will run in the mid 170mph range.

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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514449
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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514450
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I have only run 87 in my RT so I have no clue how it runs with 91.maybe I should try it


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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514451
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The OM on most gen 3 Hemi's says 89 preferred, 87 OK. With 87 you are depending on the knock sensor to take timing out to protect the engine. I have seen at least 3 posts from folks running 87 that wound up with holed pistons. I guess their knock sensor wasn't up to snuff. Not for me.

I always run at least 89 and when towing (Durango) 91+. If I was exploring the high speed capability on a Challenger/Charger I would not want less.

As several have posted, retarded timing doesn't help fuel mileage either so the higher octane may be a better value.

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: Brian_wo] #1514452
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If they sense knock the could pull power down about 10%. On an R/T that's about 37 ponies. Try the higher octane and se if its not quicker.

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514453
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I normally run 89 in my SRT. It does get better mileagevon 91 or 93 though.


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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: slantzilla] #1514454
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142 was as fast as nerves would take me (mainly Robyn) would go. It had more. Still had another 700 rpm to go. To the OP, go with higher octane. 142 felt like 30. It sat down and scooted. What are these cars for anyway?

-Daty

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: mercman1] #1514455
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If they sense knock the could pull power down about 10%. On an R/T that's about 37 ponies. Try the higher octane and se if its not quicker.




over on one of the charger forums, someone did back-to-back dyno pulls on a chassis dyno with 87, 89, and 93 octane in their challenger. with stock tuning, 89 made the most RWHP, around 328. 87 made about 326 and 93 made the least at about 323.

I've run both 87 and 89 in my 2011 charger R/T and haven't seen any difference in power or mileage....


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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: patrick] #1514456
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Did they drain the tank each time? I just know mine runs better with higher octane. Just asking, this is an interesting thread.

-Daty

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: GMP440] #1514457
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Anyone using 87 octane fuel for the their 2013 Challenger R/T with manual transmission? Any pinging? Thanks.




You'll never hear pinging, the computer takes care of that, destruction will happen though.

-Daty

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: Daty Rogers] #1514458
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One thing I have found with mine, where I buy gas seems to affect mileage a lot more than grade. On Speedway or Thornton it will consistently knock down 18 around town. Put BP in it the other night and it dropped to 15. Won't do that again.


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Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: slantzilla] #1514459
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I buy Conoco/Phillips myself, don't do 7-11 or anything. Won't do Exxon just on princable. Good gas with no water makes a diff.

-Daty

Re: 2013 Dodge Challenger R/T, man trans, 87 octane [Re: patrick] #1514460
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If they sense knock the could pull power down about 10%. On an R/T that's about 37 ponies. Try the higher octane and se if its not quicker.




over on one of the charger forums, someone did back-to-back dyno pulls on a chassis dyno with 87, 89, and 93 octane in their challenger. with stock tuning, 89 made the most RWHP, around 328. 87 made about 326 and 93 made the least at about 323.

I've run both 87 and 89 in my 2011 charger R/T and haven't seen any difference in power or mileage....




When the sensor feels knock, it pulls timing out immediately and also backs off base timing. After the "knock event" base timing slowly creeps back up. It may take a full tank worth of driving to adjust base timing up when changing to fuel with higher octane. A test like this would need extended drive time on each fuel between pulls to get accurate results.







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