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Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: hp383] #1513889
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1/8th mile ... have you condidered a jr dragster??


I am truckless..
Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 340SHORTY] #1513890
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1/8th mile ... have you considered a jr dragster??




We didn't choose the track, they closed the 1/4 mile track, and opened this one.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: hp383] #1513891
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Took what ten years before another this track came along if not longer.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513892
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Well, I don't have an answer for you, but way back in the years before the tremec tranny conversions were available...I had a guy put the guts from an O/D 833 into a cast iron 833 case with the smaller bearing retainer. He said that he accomplished it, and the whole price cost me $400. Which is why I let him do it. The tranny is still on my self waiting for its installation. (A sad story)
So maybe the guy faked me out and got away the my money...Or maybe it is possible to build a cast iron cased O/D 833.
It is something you can research...Or maybe some will chime in on the subject.
Good luck to ya!
BTW...mine will be put behind a mildly blown street-friendly 426 Hemi with a McLeod RST dual disc clutch.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Hooligan] #1513893
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They had cast Iron 833/od units

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513894
10/11/13 02:37 PM
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They had cast Iron 833/od units




Yep, I have one.


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Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513895
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Yes, I am aware that cast iron O/D 833's exist, but I don't know how hard or easy they are to find, and at what price?
I am simply wondering if it is possible to covert an aluminum O/D unit by using a standard 833 iron case...just as mine is touted to be by the guy who made the one on my shelf. I don't know what the guy did to mine as I have not looked inside to verify it. All I'm saying is that if such a conversion is possible, it might be a fun, feasible, and inexpensive alternative for people to explore. Especially if they already have some trannys laying around.
If I ever try it out someday and it pukes its parts, I won't be out a lot of cash. At which point I will drop the big bucks on a nice unit. Hopefully by then the McLeod M-800 or Passon trannys will finally hit the market or even some other choices.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Hooligan] #1513896
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Main reason I asked was I have it so why not use it. Id just assume buy a regular 4spd than hassle with locating a case and swapping guts. I dont care that it has od I just want a manual trans

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Hooligan] #1513897
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Yes, I am aware that cast iron O/D 833's exist, but I don't know how hard or easy they are to find, and at what price?
I am simply wondering if it is possible to covert an aluminum O/D unit by using a standard 833 iron case...just as mine is touted to be by the guy who made the one on my shelf. I don't know what the guy did to mine as I have not looked inside to verify it. All I'm saying is that if such a conversion is possible, it might be a fun, feasible, and inexpensive alternative for people to explore. Especially if they already have some trannys laying around.
If I ever try it out someday and it pukes its parts, I won't be out a lot of cash. At which point I will drop the big bucks on a nice unit. Hopefully by then the McLeod M-800 or Passon trannys will finally hit the market or even some other choices.




It would very easy to verify without opening the case.....just have to put it in high gear and ck the rotation if it's 1-1 you most likely got screwed....if it's over 1-1 or whatever the od ratio is....you win

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Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513898
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I'm sorry about the confusion. I only shared that information incase someone else read it, and could verify the feasibility and durability of the parts swap for the benefit of all us Moparts members. I personally wanted to try the swap many years ago because I knew the aluminum case unit was weak, and there not a lot of options for overdrives back then without making a lot of modifications, and spending a ton of money. Plus, I thought it would be a slick trick! At the time I had a 360 in the car, but ended up with the 426 Hemi. I'm gunna toss it behind the Hemi some day soon just for grins & giggles! Anyway, I hope you find the answer that you seek, and I wish you well with your Mopar!

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: rickstershemi] #1513899
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Yes, I am aware that cast iron O/D 833's exist, but I don't know how hard or easy they are to find, and at what price?
I am simply wondering if it is possible to covert an aluminum O/D unit by using a standard 833 iron case...just as mine is touted to be by the guy who made the one on my shelf. I don't know what the guy did to mine as I have not looked inside to verify it. All I'm saying is that if such a conversion is possible, it might be a fun, feasible, and inexpensive alternative for people to explore. Especially if they already have some trannys laying around.
If I ever try it out someday and it pukes its parts, I won't be out a lot of cash. At which point I will drop the big bucks on a nice unit. Hopefully by then the McLeod M-800 or Passon trannys will finally hit the market or even some other choices.




It would very easy to verify without opening the case.....just have to put it in high gear and ck the rotation if it's 1-1 you most likely got screwed....if it's over 1-1 or whatever the od ratio is....you win

Hey Rickster! You are brilliant! ...however, I am taking a wild guess here. My approach will be this... If it turns out to be 1 to 1, I'll pretend that I didn't get screwed by being ecstatic that I now have a large expensive door stop! Thanks!

Rickster



Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Hooligan] #1513900
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No I appreciate the input. just not worth tome and money when a regular 4spd can be had with less work. Might end up with a 18 spine hopefully a liquidation sale price.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513901
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I put an aluminum case OD through a lot of abuse back in the day. They are not the wimps some make you think they are. Like most everything, if you beat the tar out of it, expect it to break at some point. The issue is, if you bought it used, you really don't know how its been treated. If it was the one I had, it might not last much longer. but if it was like the one I had at the start, you will be good for a while. Gene

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: poorboy] #1513902
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I put an aluminum case OD through a lot of abuse back in the day. They are not the wimps some make you think they are. Like most everything, if you beat the tar out of it, expect it to break at some point. The issue is, if you bought it used, you really don't know how its been treated. If it was the one I had, it might not last much longer. but if it was like the one I had at the start, you will be good for a while. Gene



My aluminum one lasted me over ten years that I drove my swb as a dd and it was over 20 years old when I started driving it. I've towed with it & hot rodded it with automatic trans fluid in it. Which it had the automatic fluid in it when I got it.


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Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Robbins] #1513903
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And both of you had 500hp Bigblocks and slicks correct?

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513904
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And both of you had 500hp Bigblocks and slicks correct?




Not a chance..............I forgot your original question.....I guess. I read something about being tougher than one would think....is why I posted that. So sorry....I'm not saying that they would survive behind a BB with 500 horse and slicks.


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Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: Robbins] #1513905
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We all miss or forget something that's been posted. Not a big deal.

Re: 833/od hp limit?? [Re: 76dodgeboy] #1513906
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And both of you had 500hp Bigblocks and slicks correct?




With an actual 500 HP and sticky slicks, and if the truck actually gets traction, the 18 spline 833 will be at its limits. Without traction? The OD will do OK right up to the point you get hooked up.

With a little (or a lot of) effort, I could and did break nearly everything. The point was, the aluminum case OD takes nearly as much abuse as the standard issue iron 833, right up until you pound the case away at the shaft bushings.

The right small block with traction will cause more damage then a big block without traction. Given traction, the teeth on the gears are going to break whenever they feel the need to break. Gene

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