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!@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint #1512880
10/05/13 06:29 PM
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Ok, today is ball joint day on my 2000 2wd Durango. I got all four rivet heads cut off and NONE of them would punch out the bottom, so I cut the bottom off one and it wouldn't punch up. So, I removed the control arm (bushings didn't look good anyway). I tried the press on one rivet form both side, no budge...

So, WHAT'S the deal with these? The FSM is no help because they expect you to replace the entire arm. The lower joint has steel parts of the control arm on both sides of the joint. My temptation is to cut out the welded in bottom side...

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512881
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Why not just replace the arm? It isn"t that much more then paying for a good ball joint and bushing.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: stumpy] #1512882
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Why not just replace the arm? It isn"t that much more then paying for ball joint and bushing.




It's more than double...I got some Moog joints for a GREAT price and the Moog bushings are under $20 for one arm. The crap (Master Pro) that O'Reilly's sells is $153/arm (I got all four ball joints for about $180). The prices are better at Rock, but then it's down and unless I go with the Moog ($117 plus shipping) I don't know the quality and I'm still spending more money.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512883
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How about drilling out the rivets? I don't think I'd start hacking on the arm myself.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: stumpy] #1512884
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I'd rather not distort the holes, cutting and welding makes more sense, in my opinion (that and it really easier and quicker as there is no way to mount this thing level in the drill press).

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512885
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The FSM is no help because they expect you to replace the entire arm.




hmmm

wonder why?

Think, McFly, think


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512886
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I've had luck with some riveted balljoints drilling in the center of the rivets enough to weaken them. Then they punch through.
I can't remember my last 2000 durango but some of the gms were pricks to do!

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: MPerry] #1512887
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are you using an air chisel and still not budging?

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: 340duster340] #1512888
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I'm assuming '98 is the same? I just knocked the heads off mine with an air hammer with a sharpened chisel. IIRC, I put a block of wood to prop up the arm and gave it a good slug. I use MOOG problem slovers with the fittings exclusively.


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: WayneM] #1512889
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Yeah, I watched a couple of videos and both buys drilled out the center. That does two things, keeps the punch in place and cause a stretch to slightly shrink the size. I got one side out, now to go get lower bushings and the rack...Good thing I got a great deal on the Durango almost two years ago, it doesn't hurt so bad now spending a few hundred on it.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512890
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My 2000 Ram Sport has the riveted ball joints and I replaced them a year ago. Get a good drill and plenty of good bits because that's the only way my would budge.When you drill almost to edge of the rivet, then the air chisel will pop them out.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Goat330] #1512891
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My 2000 Ram Sport has the riveted ball joints and I replaced them a year ago. Get a good drill and plenty of good bits because that's the only way my would budge.When you drill almost to edge of the rivet, then the air chisel will pop them out.




Yeah, that's what I wound up doing. That air chisel is gonna kill my elbow (that's been hurting for weeks now), though.

I also found where I've been losing coolant. It's a slow leak and I figured I'd go look for it soon. Well, looks like both freeze plugs behind the motor mounts are leaking and probably the rear one on each side. It looks like the front ones have already been replaced...

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512892
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Thanks for posting this. I am about to do the same thing on my 2003, as well as the half shafts that are clicking. I think I will got with the arms

Craig


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: denfireguy] #1512893
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I finally got them done. The good news is my elbow pain seemed to be from lack of use (I've been doing on-line school for the last six months or so and ignoring most of the car stuff). Arms were just out of the budget. I did finally get the last freeze plug in (had to borrow a tool from a buddy). Might get it all back together tomorrow night...

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512894
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The first gen Durango is not a bad truck to work on. Just don't try to change the cat converter unless you REALLY need to!


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512895
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I have a 99 2WD Durango and the pass side upper ball joint had failed a few years back. Took it to dealer and they were of no help. Called Chrysler customer assistance regarding the failure (it was on national news back then about all Dakota/Durango ball joint failures) and proved my 99 had a late build date. Chrysler customer assistance called back and said that they would cover all four ball joints.... PARTS and Labor!!!!

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I have a 99 2WD Durango and the pass side upper ball joint had failed a few years back. Took it to dealer and they were of no help. Called Chrysler customer assistance regarding the failure (it was on national news back then about all Dakota/Durango ball joint failures) and proved my 99 had a late build date. Chrysler customer assistance called back and said that they would cover all four ball joints.... PARTS and Labor!!!!




I'm a little late on this one, but they didn't fail, they just wore out. The wheels go back on tomorrow and then I'll align it.

Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: Jim_Lusk] #1512897
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I finally got them done. The good news is my elbow pain seemed to be from lack of use (I've been doing on-line school for the last six months or so and ignoring most of the car stuff). Arms were just out of the budget. I did finally get the last freeze plug in (had to borrow a tool from a buddy). Might get it all back together tomorrow night...


Well I decided to be lazy and order both arms. NAPA was 0 for 4 on getting me the right arms. My first clue was they had to get them from Billings Montana. The lower arms look like they are for a Dakota since they to not have the torsion bar socket and looks like the bottom of a coil recess. The uppers had 1/2 inch bolts and the orginals are 9/16. Both are going back.
Meanwhile, I had the lowers press fitted in by NAPA and I used a cut off tool on the uppers. I also am replacing the half shafts since they are whining and clicking.


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: denfireguy] #1512898
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I had a bad one on my 99 4 WD a few years ago.It only had at the time 70K miles.It took me about 1 1/2 hours to do all 4 at the shop.Biggest advantage was having a lift.They were some of the easiest that Ive changed.Having a good air chisel also helps along with a good impact.Rocky


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Re: !@#$#@$ Durango lower ball joint [Re: denfireguy] #1512899
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I finally got them done. The good news is my elbow pain seemed to be from lack of use (I've been doing on-line school for the last six months or so and ignoring most of the car stuff). Arms were just out of the budget. I did finally get the last freeze plug in (had to borrow a tool from a buddy). Might get it all back together tomorrow night...


Well I decided to be lazy and order both arms. NAPA was 0 for 4 on getting me the right arms. My first clue was they had to get them from Billings Montana. The lower arms look like they are for a Dakota since they to not have the torsion bar socket and looks like the bottom of a coil recess. The uppers had 1/2 inch bolts and the orginals are 9/16. Both are going back.
Meanwhile, I had the lowers press fitted in by NAPA and I used a cut off tool on the uppers. I also am replacing the half shafts since they are whining and clicking.




Sounds like you got 2WD parts...Dakota and Durango used the same front end parts, but 4wd arms were different.

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