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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
[Re: montessa]
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I know this won't be very popular but I am considering changing over to a Powerglide. I would like to hear from guys whom had made the switch and what their results were. My car is 3700lbs and runs low nines. I have some Chrysler buddies that also bracket race that have made the switch with positive results. However, their cars are a lot lighter than mine. I think that the car will lose some time due to the taller first gear. I also know that the glide will be more consistent. How much time do you think is on the table? Comments? 
I believe my car is a similar combo to yours except its a cross ram w/ eddy 750s. Your car is both heavier and faster than mine (9.27@146.6, 3340). Why a glide? Mine doesn't spin at all. 10.5x31W ,4.10 If anything I think I could use more gear. My overall starting line ratio is 10.45. 1.80 glide w/4.56 would be 8.23. I think it would slow it up early. Mine ave 1.32-1.36 60 3.80-3.85 330. Pretty sluggish in the early portion of the run. However its a good bracket car and easy on the motor in the lights.
Doug
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
[Re: montessa]
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10/03/13 10:01 PM
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Post a timeslip to get many comments
The little old lady from Pasadena is back!
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
[Re: montessa]
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10/03/13 10:03 PM
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Explain "Reliability has been slipping"...I've ran Glides for years in lighter cars, and consistency with a glide requires rebuilds on a regular basis.
"Livin' in a powder keg and givin' off sparks"
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/04/13 01:58 AM
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bone stock glide 1.76 internals 5 disc drum, t/b valve body. 4 years with 6,000 plus launches ZERO parts no failures, unit cost about 500. total.
1.25 60' 8.58 et
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/04/13 07:45 AM
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I have always run a Torqueflite, but it wasn't easy making it consistent. If your goal is winning bracket races, and that is more important, go glide if you want to. It really is helpful in consistency due to one shift, and that one being down track far enough that it is easier to hit the exact rpm. The 727 takes more power to turn, so there is some trade off there, and that combined with too much starting line ratio for fast cars is probably why some say the glide is faster, some say it is slower. It really depends on the power curve, weight, tires, etc. If a car has 1000 hp and weighs 2500 lbs, it would be a real bear to get it off the line cleanly with a Torqueflite with a 2.45 low gear.
I don't worry about what others think about what i do; none of them write the checks, I do. And I bet, so do you.
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/04/13 11:45 AM
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bone stock glide 1.76 internals 5 disc drum, t/b valve body. 4 years with 6,000 plus launches ZERO parts no failures, unit cost about 500. total.
1.25 60' 8.58 et
Are you sure about the 6000 passes? 6000 passes over 4 yrs is 1500 per year average. That's a lot of passes per year.
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/04/13 12:08 PM
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bone stock glide 1.76 internals 5 disc drum, t/b valve body. 4 years with 6,000 plus launches ZERO parts no failures, unit cost about 500. total.
1.25 60' 8.58 et
Are you sure about the 6000 passes? 6000 passes over 4 yrs is 1500 per year average. That's a lot of passes per year.
He may be talking about the rpm he launches at instead of how many runs
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
[Re: montessa]
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ATI glide since 98, almost 3000 (yes) passes. 1 planatary explosion, killed the dana 60 and driveshaft on the line. Sounded like the devil right next to me. Current converter is @ 350 passes, it's done after next week. Best 60 ft 1.24, best et 8.47 @ 159. Racepac shows converter a 1.08 in the lights. 16 race wins since 07. NEVER won a race with a Torqueflite. I'm sure it's slower but it's my racing friend. I run the old one way safety clutch so when you come off the gas it returns to idle. Not very popular but it's saved me motor damage mulitple times. Wouldn't leave home without it. HTH HJ Only 3 failures to my log book. Killer service from me all year and rebuilds from Scott's Transmissions in PA. An ATI dealer
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/05/13 08:03 PM
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I also run a glide in my turbo hemi road runner.
it's an ATI unit with a lock-up conveter.
cost 10,999.99
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/05/13 08:55 PM
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Just think of how cheap it would be if the entire car was GM parts!
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/06/13 03:39 AM
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Just think of how cheap it would be if the entire car was GM parts!
like a top fuel motor not a single GM part in my transmission. Being the MOPAR purist that you are which Mopar transmission that is capable of handling close to 3,000 HP would you recommend? 727 or 904 
I went down this same road of questioning for my Twin Turbo small block (still in the works) and when ever Major MOPAR Trans builder in the country tells you, that you would be better off and save money by using a Glide over a 727. I think it's good advise to use what they recommend. Especially when they are willing to loose business over a recommendation.
The 1 builder that I could actually get numbers out of Said about $4000-6000 and they could probably get a 727 to hold together to 1200-1400 hp. But for about 1/2 that $$$$ you can get a Powerglide that would run all season behind 1500hp.
Just passing on what I was told and why I went with a PG for my build.
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/07/13 12:33 AM
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Just think of how cheap it would be if the entire car was GM parts!
like a top fuel motor not a single GM part in my transmission. Being the MOPAR purist that you are which Mopar transmission that is capable of handling close to 3,000 HP would you recommend? 727 or 904
I would go with a liberty if it was me. Which is neither GM nor Mopar. But that's just me.
With your duster a 18 spline 833 would be obvious. Your producing the same hp but with 500 less pounds than it had in the 70's. Of course you would need to be able to drive it.
But again, that's just me!
post was 727 vs glide but you tossed in the 833.
I am producing the same horsepower as what? the early prostockers ? no not same hp those cars ran only 9.30's Max for an 833 maybe 650.you say I need to be able to drive it ? that I ignored
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With your duster a 18 spline 833 would be obvious.
if it were viable it would have been done. Not obvious to Passion and Brewer
who recommend using something else at my power
That’s not what you were saying here!
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Number=6795979
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from the "BACK IN THE DAY" file : let's see if I can get this right .
I believe it was mid 1972 when the change over to Lenco's started.At the time 833 was being used by all the GM cars and breakage was not the primary
reason most teams changed. It was the reducton in ET for the average driver. Most gained well over a tenth. Most except Ronnie Sox who actually ran slower with one.
The Pro Stock cars were in the 9.0 Et range and at 3000lbs .That converts to about 77HP.
9,000 RPM launches were common.
In today's world with slipper type clutches I think they could handle more than that
In any event, with your 8.58 ET and 2500 lb weight that converts to about 782 hp. If you want to stick with a 727 you can pick one up at a bone yard. Put a manual valve body in it and a 5.0 shift arm and that’ll handle your power until Rapture!!! If your worried about losing too much ET then get a 727 filled with 904 roller-ized, billet internals. Probably won’t lose much at all. But it’ll cost you!
OK I'll say it. Torqueflites have their purpose. I ran one for years in my stocker. For real power they are junk. But that's just me.
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Re: Torqueflite vs Glide
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10/07/13 09:45 PM
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Jim, you may want to look into one of the TH400 style trannies out there now using an aftermarket case.
this way you would be using a trans made with 100% aftermarket race quality parts, including the case......and wont have to lose the 3rd gear.
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