Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
[Re: tywebb2]
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10/04/13 02:46 PM
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I guarantee if you put springs with 580# open and 230# seat you will get rid of the valve float and even wear some of that aggressiveness off of the lobes.
Seriously though, I know what the problem is because I have experienced it. Find a way to raise the rocker shaft .250", yes I said 1/4", and the problem will go away. Let me know if you need assistance with this and I can help. Your springs are not too heavy, but I don't think they are too light either, IF the rocker shaft is at the right place. Logic would tell you if the only thing you changed was the cam, then the first place to look for a problem is in the valvetrain.
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
[Re: B3RE]
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10/05/13 12:51 AM
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Well I installed new plugs and backed the preload off another 1/4 turn. Hopefully that will do the trick? Will know tomorrow morning when I take it out for a test run. If this doesnt work then I will be pulling a couple springs and having them checked.
Cant say I have ever heard of raising rocker shaft 1/4"? What is the theory behind doing that?
I dont have a crank trigger.
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
[Re: tywebb2]
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10/05/13 02:12 AM
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Quote:
Well I installed new plugs and backed the preload off another 1/4 turn. Hopefully that will do the trick? Will know tomorrow morning when I take it out for a test run. If this doesnt work then I will be pulling a couple springs and having them checked.
Cant say I have ever heard of raising rocker shaft 1/4"? What is the theory behind doing that?
I dont have a crank trigger.
It's the springs combined with the cam. They work fine with the old MP cam but not with the new .904 lifter stuff,no suprise really. Another option would be replace the cam again.8yr old valve springs? LOL Get a few checked and go from there.
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
[Re: B3RE]
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10/05/13 11:24 AM
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Well....1/4 turn less preload and I it is still breaking up as most of you guys predicted. I want to say it wasn't quite as bad a previously but that may be splitting hairs. It is still breaking up at around 5700rpm.
Guess the next step will be to pull a couple springs and have them checked next week. Will have to do a little more research on raising the rocker shafts. My combo is fairly mild with the OOTB Eddy heads, comp pro mag rockers, 10:1, and the Lunati 630303 hyd cam. I thought Comp designed the rockers for install without any major modifications?
As far as it being an issue on the electrical side...it could be possible but I think it is just strange how the car ran fine with the 509 cam and after only swapping the cam this problem showed up. The distributor cap looks good and clean, new plugs installed, and tried a different chip in the MSD box. All leads me to want to go after the valvetrain first.
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
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10/05/13 01:10 PM
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I should only have 1/4 turn preload on them now...at least that is what it should be. I guess I could go through and start over finding "0" lash and then put 1/8 turn on them...and see what happens.
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
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10/07/13 01:29 PM
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Dist rotor phasing? Digger73
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Re: 440 breaking up at 5500rpm
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10/08/13 02:09 PM
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check the underside of the air filter lid for evidence of reversion. i had this exact same problem, and my air cleaner lid was literally dripping with fuel from reversion. a carb spacer (to in crease plenum volume) took care of the problem. i also had some exhaust restriction, which compounded the problem.
for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?
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