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Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? #1511550 10/02/13 05:18 PM 10/02/13 05:18 PM
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DodgeCharger OP master Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,703 Mohnton, Pa	I hear a lot about Cecil County being faster than Maple Grove. I always heard at least a tenth of a second. But now I'm hearing claims of 2 to 3 tenths faster. Is this really the case? I am looking for an all time best time slip before I put my car away for the winter. Is it worth the trip to Cecil County? It's a 45 min drive. Maple Grove is 5 min away.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511551 10/02/13 05:23 PM 10/02/13 05:23 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	YES Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1511552 10/02/13 05:28 PM 10/02/13 05:28 PM
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DodgeCharger OP master Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,703 Mohnton, Pa	Quote: YES How much quicker?

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511553 10/02/13 05:42 PM 10/02/13 05:42 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	It depends on your car. I went to maple for the first time in six years and couldn't get my car to come off the starting line on nitrous. So my car is a ton faster because of the starting line. I would say 2 tenths for a car with out traction problems. I remembered why I drive a half hour longer to go to Cecil after my trip to maple. Shame maple is only 45-50 mins from my house. Oh and the track people told me not to bring my car back on a Friday street night again. Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511554 10/02/13 05:44 PM 10/02/13 05:44 PM
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rt66jim master R Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,002 Joplin, Mo	Maybe it's just shorter. As in maybe the clocks aren't setup the same. I think this happens alot when guys talk about a certain track being faster. JMO

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511555 10/02/13 05:45 PM 10/02/13 05:45 PM
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440lebaron top fuel 4 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,606 westerly, ri. usa	yep, maybe .1-.2 i think the track is shorter then a 1/4. faster then lebanon valley,e-town, island and m/g gary all parts are sold as is, all parts are considered used no warranties or returns paypal/check/money order, shipping is from zip 02891, buyer pays paypal fees 24% IRS 1099A plus 3% of part price, check/money order preferred site is not monitored 24/7 there might be a delay in response

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: 440lebaron] #1511556 10/02/13 05:54 PM 10/02/13 05:54 PM
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1967dartgt master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,978 Hilltown Pa	It's at sea level and has the best starting line out of all those tracks you mentioned. It is also concrete to the 1/8. The track is faster if it short how do people get better mph? What did they shorten that too? Lol Brett Miller W9 cnc'd heads STR Chassis fabraction

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1511557 10/02/13 06:30 PM 10/02/13 06:30 PM
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BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Quote: It's at sea level and has the best starting line out of all those tracks you mentioned. It is also concrete to the 1/8. The track is faster if it short how do people get better mph? What did they shorten that too? Lol My times & MPH from Cecil and MIR were always comparable, and both are close-to-sea-level tracks w/ decently prepared starting lines. I know if I go to other tracks like 75-80 or Mason-Dixon that both the altitude and / or traction issues are going to slow me down.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: BradH] #1511558 10/02/13 07:09 PM 10/02/13 07:09 PM
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bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	the question should be....Why doesn't maple grove prep the track or care about the racers? BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511559 10/02/13 07:30 PM 10/02/13 07:30 PM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I would say not much if any. When I had my 63 there a few years ago with the old eng it ran 11.60's on an average day. It had run as fast as 11.49 at Cecil on a great day but average days at Cecil were 11.70's and 60's. Ron Last edited by 383man; 10/03/13 10:36 AM.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: 383man] #1511560 10/02/13 10:28 PM 10/02/13 10:28 PM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,835 MI, usa	Both are way faster than where I run. My old car was always fastest at it's few trips out east. Doug

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511561 10/02/13 10:58 PM 10/02/13 10:58 PM
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Kevins493 top fuel Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 2,379 MD	Quote: the question should be....Why doesn't maple grove prep the track or care about the racers? THIS After the one time I went there this year, I am never going back. Nice facility, management just sucks.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511562 10/03/13 07:39 AM 10/03/13 07:39 AM
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fishy340 master Joined: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,112 LONG ISLAND	100% yes on that,and its just proven by the amnt of people who race week after week.Atco is the fastest....when they prep properly.( here in the east anyway)

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: Kevins493] #1511563 10/03/13 10:39 AM 10/03/13 10:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: Quote: the question should be....Why doesn't maple grove prep the track or care about the racers? THIS After the one time I went there this year, I am never going back. Nice facility, management just sucks. I agree with that Kevin. I went there a few years back to see the Hemi shootout at the Dutch Classic and when I asked the guys at the gate if the Hemi cars ran yet they looked at me like I had two heads and had no idea what I was talking about. Ron

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: 1967dartgt] #1511564 10/03/13 10:49 AM 10/03/13 10:49 AM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	Have you ever watched how the water races towards the topend of the track when it rains there? It doesn't take much downhill to make some good mph.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: Duner] #1511565 10/03/13 11:47 AM 10/03/13 11:47 AM
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bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: Have you ever watched how the water races towards the topend of the track when it rains there? It doesn't take much downhill to make some good mph. I love comments like this BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: DodgeCharger] #1511566 10/03/13 01:17 PM 10/03/13 01:17 PM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	I've been to both many times over the years. Cecil is at a lower satic level than MG so a slight edge to Cecil there. This time of the year though I think the Grove can be faster. There are a ton of trees at the MG and the adjusted air there can be REAL good. I've never had traction issues there but have always run there during special events. Go the weekend after the Dutch and it should be good. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511567 10/03/13 01:35 PM 10/03/13 01:35 PM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I'll have to see if I can find the video from when the Dakota R/T club had it's National event at Cecil. It started raining and the video clearly showed the water rushing to the stripe. That HAS to help somewhere on the timeslip. HOW MUCH it helps will be the point of contention.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: Duner] #1511568 10/03/13 01:47 PM 10/03/13 01:47 PM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Cecil looks like it is down hill to me

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: scatpacktom] #1511569 10/03/13 03:30 PM 10/03/13 03:30 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ Duner top fuel
Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	I think rather than have altitude correction factors - that the NHRA should simply grade the higher elevation track to make them down hill. How much down hill should be the "built-in" correction factor. Your track always have bad air? Repave the track to make it down hill!

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: Duner] #1511570 10/03/13 08:17 PM 10/03/13 08:17 PM
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UNDERDOGG member U Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 9 DERRY,NH	Cecil does have a slight downhill pitch to it.Fast as hell.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: UNDERDOGG] #1511571 10/03/13 09:15 PM 10/03/13 09:15 PM
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dmking enthusiast D Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 319 jonestown,pa	i run at both tracks. maple is a lot closer time wise. it to me seems cecil may be .1 faster. i do have my best times on my bike at cecil. now compare numidia to cecil and i say .3 to different. numidia about 1050ft maple 540ish cecil i think 200 ft or so

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: dmking] #1511572 10/03/13 09:54 PM 10/03/13 09:54 PM
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bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	First off do you guys realize how much the track would need to be pitched down hill to make your car faster???? I ran my 10.oh truck at midnight at cecil and it went 10.007 134.97 next morning we ran the grove first pass of the trailer we went a 10.023 135.42 the 60 was a 1.42 at cecil and 1.44 at the grove. Anybody else keep a log book? lets see the real numbers for comparison on some consistent cars. Also Atco and maple grove have a tighter rollout. If I leave my cecil shims in my switch i'm red at both atco and the grove BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511573 10/03/13 11:11 PM 10/03/13 11:11 PM
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pinkduster master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,653 Near Reading PA USA	Back in the late 90s when I was racing my 71 340 Duster (stock), I could run 14.0 all day at MG, but no 13.90s. I swore the car had 13.90s in it so I kept going back to MG week after week trying to get that 13.9 time slip but it would just never get any better than 14.0. So I drove it down to Cecil County one Friday night and ran 14.0 first pass and a 13.9something on the second pass. So is Cecil faster? Maybe, but not by much for me.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511574 10/03/13 11:16 PM 10/03/13 11:16 PM
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pinkduster master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,653 Near Reading PA USA	Quote: the question should be....Why doesn't maple grove prep the track or care about the racers? Because MG sucks! I live a half hour from MG, but drive right by the exit for MG when I'm on my way to Cecil County. I can haul down there in about an hour if I really push it.

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1511575 10/04/13 12:12 AM 10/04/13 12:12 AM
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Duner top fuel Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,969 Chandler, AZ	All I know for sure is what the video showed... and that when we had the National meet in Tucson - there were a bunch of very long faces when their timeslips were a full second slower than at Cecil. (yeah, I know apples to oranges there) All the internet bravado about who's ride was faster gets all mixed up when people are posting timeslips from different tracks times of year and obviously different DA and track prep. Everybody enjoys and down-plays having the "geographical" advantage of Sea Level tracks with mineshaft air. But put the group together in one spot and all that goes out the window. Then all you hear is excuses. LOL

Re: Is Cecil County Dragway really faster than Maple Grove? [Re: Duner] #1511576 10/04/13 12:36 AM 10/04/13 12:36 AM
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mopar dave master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,033 Mt Morris Michigan	do a google earth on it,you will see if its up hill down hill or flat. we have 1 track up here in mi 1 meter higher at the big end and another track 1 meter lower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

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