Re: ladder bar to four link
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Don just think how good this car could be with a good driver, you know any lol
Shocks would be a cheaper option, only have single adjustable strange on the rear now. Has double Afco on the front.
I don't know any better than you buddy
Doubles might be a nice upgrade on the rear
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Re: ladder bar to four link
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I would think that if you have to use a lot of shock control for best 60 ft, then maybe a four link will show an improvement, but not much if you are real close to the best 60 ft for what you have already. How do your 60 fts compare to some of the best cars out there, preferably similar? Can you post your best, and average, and worst? On my ladderbar setup, the best thing I ever did was build an anti roll. It made a great deal of difference, both in 60 ft gains and consistency.
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Re: ladder bar to four link
[Re: 412 SB Duster]
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10/01/13 07:08 PM
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.03 is quite a bit of movement in 60 foot for a bracket car IMO. My car is slower(1.45 in average air), but it usually moves less than .01 in a day. Caltracs and a 29.5x10.5W M/T, nothing special.
Your car should be at least that good considering better suspension. Obviously the bigger the tire the easier its going to be to hook, if I remember right you run a relitively small tire? I'd be looking at upgrades shocks or making adjustments to narrow that window down.
If 60 foots aren't consistent, ET's aren't consistent. Focus on the first 60 feet and usually the rest will come together.
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Re: ladder bar to four link
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Never understood why a ladder bar car would benefit from an anti-roll. If you have trouble adjusting preload you could do it in the anti-roll bar. But, most modern ladder bars have the easy to use link to set preload. Most ladder bar cars will not roll rotate even when you need them to. But, all cars are different.
A 4-link would allow you to lengthen or shorten you IC with more points to adjust to. Instead of 2-4 points and ride height to maybe cheat and get a little more in between a 4-link can have three times that many that are useable. But, don't be fooled over half the holes will never need to have a bolt through them. And if you are not careful in bracing the top of the 4-link brackets you are going to have a weaker setup.
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Re: ladder bar to four link
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Don just think how good this car could be with a good driver, you know any lol
Shocks would be a cheaper option, only have single adjustable strange on the rear now. Has double Afco on the front.
Whats on the front............the trickest rear suspension in the world won't work right if the front doesn't. Shocks are what control EVERYTHING. Bad shocks, bad suspension, period
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Re: ladder bar to four link
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"Never understood why a ladder bar car would benefit from an anti-roll." Check out the picture, one pass. 1 1/4 x .125 steel tube anti roll wasn't enough, had to go with 1 3/4 tube.
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Re: ladder bar to four link
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2 The roll rotation problem really gets out of hand with a high SLR and a front mount near the neutral line. It got so bad one tire was coming off the track, which made for some rather interesting antics! Back to the OP, your car is running 5.30s in the 1/8th right? 1.3xxx 60 fts would seem pretty slow, but the overall performance is great. If my memory of your ET is right, then 60 fts should be somewhere around 1.22? With the right setup and tires, the car ought to post 330 marks within .003 or so like a machine on the same day. Or at least it should on a well prepped track. I'm pretty spoiled with the track prep at BIR in Mn.
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Re: ladder bar to four link
[Re: 412 SB Duster]
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10/03/13 01:38 PM
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You must be thinking of some ones else, my duster only runs 6 teen to 6.20s in the 1/8th Also I do have a good set of Afco double shocks on the front, have plenty of adjustment. may have not found the sweet spot yet I guess.
Car leaves nice and straight
Yup, I think I was. Anyway, at those performance levels I don't see much advantage to the fourlink. If you have a good front suspension, and the anti roll to give the rear tires equal load, I bet your 60 ft variance will narrow quite a bit.
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