Voltage Question - How much?
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Now that I have replaced the alternator in my Coronet, my volt meter is reading about 12 volts at idle, and up to 17 when the rpms are up.
Is that too much? I think I may need to change out my voltage regulator.
Thoughts?
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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X2 what CJ said, you're full fielded right now. Do NOT drive it until you solve it & if you have to drive it then pull the reg plug so it ain't charging at all. running the batt down some is FAR less damaging than having 17 volts going thru the system
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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Where are you measuring? If that is at the battery terminals, it is too high. If it is at an add on voltage meter, double check with a voltmeter at the battery. I would believe a test meter over any add on volt meter, even the Harbor Freight ones.
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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I'll double check at the battery before I do anything. I have a bunch of wiring and such to check as well - never trust the work of an unknown previous owner!
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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I'll double check at the battery before I do anything. I have a bunch of wiring and such to check as well - never trust the work of an unknown previous owner!
Measure from the alternator charging stud across to the negative battery terminal. This will take all the wiring between the alternator and battery out of the picture. That being said, if your alternator is not well grounded, this will be off (read lower than actual).
To test ground, run ohmmeter leads from negative battery terminal to alternator case...should be very, very little resistance, as in 2 ohms or less. Do the same between the VR case (may need to scrape paint) and the neg battery terminal...also should be very low.
Lastly, with the car running, you can measure with a voltmeter across from the alternator case and neg battery terminal. Any voltage registered here over maybe .5V is too much and would confirm a poor ground. Ideally, you would have a 0V drop here. This is an alternative to the ohmmeter method (ohmmeter is often less accurate). However, if your alternator is at 17V..you are risking your wiring running like that!
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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X2 what CJ said, you're full fielded right now. Do NOT drive it until you solve it & if you have to drive it then pull the reg plug so it ain't charging at all. running the batt down some is FAR less damaging than having 17 volts going thru the system
x3 I drove mine in an overcharging state for a week or two. The high current, and the fact that my electrical system is over 40 years old, caused a lot of damage. Ive had to replace everything in my charging circuit and many components that were fried like the ballast resistor, VR, all wires, bulkhead connector, ignition switch, and there are still other circuits that were damaged by the melted wires in the circuits that I replaced. With most everything replaced now, Im still getting a little too high of current running through the car, so now Im hunting down bad grounds. I've found a few connections and wires that were falling apart and corroded but hidden by rattle can paint. The bad grounds cause more resistance in the circuit which in turn causes higher current (more heat) and voltage drop.
Correct me if Im wrong or not clear enough, but the voltage drop caused by a bad ground(s) will cause the alternator to work harder to support the cars accessories, therefore giving a higher voltage reading.
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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1 field alternator and the old mechanical voltage regulator.
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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Thanks. I even have one sitting on the shelf here.
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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Put in the new voltage regulator and now it's at 13.8 with 2000 RPM.
Thanks all!
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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Highly likely. 70 up system? Pull the triangle connector off of the reg & bring the RPM's up & if there's no charging then yes the reg. But do check the reg ground & that the alt brush/brush holder under the green wire terminal ain't being grounded to the alt case. Do NOT drive it till you fix it or if you do have to then pull the triangle connector so there's no charging
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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The alt has 2 field terminals right? (blue/green wires-70 up system). Pull the green wire connector off of the alt field terminal & at that stage the alt is recieving fire via the blue field wire & if charging then the field circuit is being grounded (full fielded) inside the alt to the case which includes the green wire brush/brush holder. Good visual on/in the alt to see what's grounded that shouldn't be. Pull both field terminals & see if either male field terminal has continuity to ground (should not) & might see how many ohms you have between the 2 field terminals them selves as you spin the alt by hand (there's a spec for that) but I think you'll find something wonky before you get to that. With the alt field terminals plugged back in if it's full fielding with the reg connector plugged in & still is when you pull the reg connector then either the alt is grounded as previously described or the green field wire between alt/reg is grounded somewhere between the alt & the reg. EDIT until we solve it if you have to drive it pull both field terminals off of the alt so that it DOES NOT overcharge. running the batt down 1 time like that (which is no different than leaving your headlights on for a bit which ain't a dealbreaker) is FAR less damaging (to the batt) than what full fielding will do (to the batt & the rest of the system) and when fixed do charge the batt back up with an outside battery charger rather than letting the car do it as you drive
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Re: Voltage Question - How much?
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Correct, there should not be continuity in the alt internal field circuit (from male field "green"terminal end to male field "blue" terminal end) to ground. Eyeball the brushes/brush holders & see if you see anything touching there
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