1969 440 warranty block
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09/08/13 05:52 PM
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Are pads always this empty?
1970 Plymouth GTX 440-6 1970 Plymouth PPR Cuda 489-4 1971 Plymouth Duster Bad Romance 408-W2-8bbl
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: Mr D21]
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09/08/13 09:44 PM
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I have seen a lot of blocks with mill marks like that, not aggressive enough in my opinion to be DA marks.
Have no idea, on the original question.
EDIT: Never mind, I thought you were talking about the top machined area, not the VIN pad.
Last edited by mopar346; 09/08/13 09:46 PM.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: Mr D21]
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09/08/13 11:26 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/09/13 07:00 PM
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Are pads always this empty?
I have been told that usually there is an "S", for "service replacement", as shown below. The engine below had a blank vin pad but I don't have a pic of it.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: cudaman1969]
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09/10/13 11:12 AM
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You might have an over the counter block. My warranty block still had the markings on the pad but none on the vin pad, it also has a blue plate attached to the pass. side freeze plug boss with a steel rivet.
Do you realize that anyone counter walk up to the parts counter and PURCHASE the short block assembly that you are calling a warranty block? It would be stamped the same way AND have that little blue tag ...
Warranty block is as misused/abused a term as RADIO DELETE
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/10/13 04:13 PM
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Since a new replacement block was never "built" there wouldn't be any "build" data stamped on it.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/10/13 04:25 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too
I've seen pads with distinct mill marks and some that aren't visable at all. To say "they go from top left to bottom right" imo is misleading It depends on where the mill operator starts his cut, mill speed, cutter depth and it's condition.
IMO, on trying to decide if a pad has been tampered with, it's the size of the mill marks. They give an idea of the cutter diameter that Chrysler used.. I've personally seen them all over the place
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: 52savoy]
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09/10/13 05:18 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too
I've seen pads with distinct mill marks and some that aren't visable at all. To say "they go from top left to bottom right" imo is misleading It depends on where the mill operator starts his cut, mill speed, cutter depth and it's condition.
IMO, on trying to decide if a pad has been tampered with, it's the size of the mill marks. They give an idea of the cutter diameter that Chrysler used.. I've personally seen them all over the place
Why wouldn't the VIN pad be set up to be machined the exact same way everytime? They were not done by a hand grinder (like that looks like ) They produced in one plant at least a thousand cars a day so why would they not be done with a fixed milling process?
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/10/13 07:29 PM
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If you compared 100, 1969 440 blocks (which were all machined at the Trenton Michigan engine plant), the VIN pad should look pretty much the same. They consistantly used a certain diameter cutter to machine the pad. I don't think this VIN pad has been tampered with other than a little Scotch Brite disc to clean it off.
I agree. A hand grinder would not look that good. It could just be an end mill with a little wore spot on it to make a mark. This crowd suspects fraud in every post>
I'm not suspecting fraud, just that the marks don't look like they were original milling marks. There is no way that VIN pad had any numbers stamped on it and no way were they ground off even if there were any there in the first place. Look closely at the top angled part of the VIN pad, it's as originally milled and not any wider or lower. Not fraud but not original factory marks either.
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