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1969 440 warranty block
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09/08/13 05:52 PM
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Are pads always this empty?
1970 Plymouth GTX 440-6
1970 Plymouth PPR Cuda 489-4
1971 Plymouth Duster Bad Romance 408-W5
1970 Plymouth Fury III Coupe 383-4
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: Mr D21]
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09/08/13 09:44 PM
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mopar346
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I have seen a lot of blocks with mill marks like that, not aggressive enough in my opinion to be DA marks.
Have no idea, on the original question.
EDIT: Never mind, I thought you were talking about the top machined area, not the VIN pad.
Last edited by mopar346; 09/08/13 09:46 PM.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: Mr D21]
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09/08/13 11:26 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too 
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: ArcticCuda]
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09/09/13 07:00 PM
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moparfan53
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Are pads always this empty?
I have been told that usually there is an "S", for "service replacement", as shown below. The engine below had a blank vin pad but I don't have a pic of it.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: cudaman1969]
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09/10/13 11:12 AM
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You might have an over the counter block. My warranty block still had the markings on the pad but none on the vin pad, it also has a blue plate attached to the pass. side freeze plug boss with a steel rivet.
Do you realize that anyone counter walk up to the parts counter and PURCHASE the short block assembly that you are calling a warranty block? It would be stamped the same way AND have that little blue tag ...
Warranty block is as misused/abused a term as RADIO DELETE
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/10/13 04:13 PM
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Since a new replacement block was never "built" there wouldn't be any "build" data stamped on it.
The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: A12]
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09/10/13 04:25 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too
 I've seen pads with distinct mill marks and some that aren't visable at all. To say "they go from top left to bottom right" imo is misleading  It depends on where the mill operator starts his cut, mill speed, cutter depth and it's condition.
IMO, on trying to decide if a pad has been tampered with, it's the size of the mill marks. They give an idea of the cutter diameter that Chrysler used..
I've personally seen them all over the place 
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: 52savoy]
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09/10/13 05:18 PM
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sure does look like DA grinder marks where the vin once was ??
Yep usually they only go from top left to bottom right all the way across the VIN pad and no machine marks go from top right to bottom left like in the middle of that VIN pad IMO too
I've seen pads with distinct mill marks and some that aren't visable at all. To say "they go from top left to bottom right" imo is misleading It depends on where the mill operator starts his cut, mill speed, cutter depth and it's condition.
IMO, on trying to decide if a pad has been tampered with, it's the size of the mill marks. They give an idea of the cutter diameter that Chrysler used..
I've personally seen them all over the place
Why wouldn't the VIN pad be set up to be machined the exact same way everytime? They were not done by a hand grinder (like that looks like ) They produced in one plant at least a thousand cars a day so why would they not be done with a fixed milling process?
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
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09/10/13 07:29 PM
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If you compared 100, 1969 440 blocks (which were all machined at the Trenton Michigan engine plant), the VIN pad should look pretty much the same. They consistantly used a certain diameter cutter to machine the pad.
I don't think this VIN pad has been tampered with other than a little Scotch Brite disc to clean it off.
I agree. A hand grinder would not look that good. It could just be an end mill with a little wore spot on it to make a mark. This crowd suspects fraud in every post> 
I'm not suspecting fraud, just that the marks don't look like they were original milling marks. There is no way that VIN pad had any numbers stamped on it and no way were they ground off even if there were any there in the first place. Look closely at the top angled part of the VIN pad, it's as originally milled and not any wider or lower. Not fraud but not original factory marks either.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: cudaman1969]
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09/11/13 12:11 PM
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... I knew one 440 car that was out of warranty and he bought a short block though parts, can that be called a warranty block?
... Sounds like you're just nit picking.
No that would not be a WARRANTY block, someone has to nitpick otherwise my repainted once 57k mile dart is still a survivor ...
As far as the rebuilt with the number ground off , whose warranty stock , the Dealer or Chrysler ??? Either way I want to see paperwork backing up a warranty replacement claim ...
more nitpicking ??? 
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: JohnRR]
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09/11/13 06:16 PM
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Regarding the "warranty" vs "over the counter block" difference, it is my understanding that because all the extra motors Chrysler built were shipped to their depots, any kind of part you ordered "over the counter", short block's included, would be considered just that, an over the counter item and it would come from the depot to the dealership for you to pick up.
If it was a "warranty' block it is no different, would come from the same depot, assuming the dealer was warrantying a motor that needed replacing and the dealer would install it under warranty.
After a number of years or a period of time, like all parts at a Chrysler depot if they were deemed a 'slow moving part' the parts specifier would arrange for them to be scrapped, to make room on the shelves for more current parts. They would then take the parts off the books and out of the system, NS-1.
I know of a bus load, sitting since the late 70's, of old 60's 383's, 361's, 273's...any 340 and 440's are long gone.
Everything was purchased from the Chrysler depot in Mississauga, Canada when Chrysler scrapped them, or was supposed to do so..
They are all short blocks, had the blue riveted blue tag and accompanying paperwork.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: mccannix]
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09/11/13 06:27 PM
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a bit of other paperwork found with the short block...move order, factory OK'd, and blue part numbered tag , in this case a 273.
I believe all this info would have, or should have come with a shortblock, be it one you ordered 'over the counter', or one Chrysler supplied under warranty as a 'warranty block'.
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Re: 1969 440 warranty block
[Re: mccannix]
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09/11/13 08:07 PM
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a bit of other paperwork found with the short block...move order, factory OK'd, and blue part numbered tag , in this case a 273.
I believe all this info would have, or should have come with a shortblock, be it one you ordered 'over the counter', or one Chrysler supplied under warranty as a 'warranty block'.
Very informative, shop Forman handled all of the paperwork, we just installed them. I think all the fuss is about how much my car is worth $$$$ and bragging rights.Barrett Jackson ruined the hobby with all the dreams of inflated prices of "numbers"matching cars. Hey it's been 40 plus years who knows whats been changed, heck Jackson did it with his 71 Hemi cuda, he "found" his # matching engine in England
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but the non-believers don't want to hear... 
