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Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: ro23car] #1493475
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Why won't they work?


ok i will rephrase my reply. i know of 5 different people that tried 950hp mecanical carbs and none of them could get them to work. plus my self 4 were on cast crossrams 2 were on sheetmetal intakes.


probably because it way to much, I have seen many 750 double pump carbs on tunnel rams.not to mention dominators on applications that need them.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Quicktree] #1493476
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Why won't they work?


ok i will rephrase my reply. i know of 5 different people that tried 950hp mecanical carbs and none of them could get them to work. plus my self 4 were on cast crossrams 2 were on sheetmetal intakes.


probably because it way to much, I have seen many 750 double pump carbs on tunnel rams.not to mention dominators on applications that need them.


950's will work if they are vacuum secondaries.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: ro23car] #1493477
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Why won't they work?


ok i will rephrase my reply. i know of 5 different people that tried 950hp mecanical carbs and none of them could get them to work. plus my self 4 were on cast crossrams 2 were on sheetmetal intakes.


probably because it way to much, I have seen many 750 double pump carbs on tunnel rams.not to mention dominators on applications that need them.


950's will work if they are vacuum secondaries.


I must be missing something? what does the vac secondary have to do with it? you are only on that circuit for a second.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Quicktree] #1493478
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After years of using Hollys on a crossram you have only one problem- Lean- The idle circuit has to be rich or it will bog or stumble, wiil the engine idle 600 rpm in gear? The secondary's have to be shut with no light visalble around them, adjust the little screw on the base plate bottom. Main air bleeds small .0018 main fuel bleeds large .070 a good place to start. If right, squirters are not needed and if you push pedal down alot you're out of there range anyway. Any vacuum leak is you're enemy 8 is enough. Hope this helps

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Quicktree] #1493479
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Why won't they work?


ok i will rephrase my reply. i know of 5 different people that tried 950hp mecanical carbs and none of them could get them to work. plus my self 4 were on cast crossrams 2 were on sheetmetal intakes.


probably because it way to much, I have seen many 750 double pump carbs on tunnel rams.not to mention dominators on applications that need them.


950's will work if they are vacuum secondaries.


I must be missing something? what does the vac secondary have to do with it? you are only on that circuit for a second.


yes you are missing something.the secondaries do not open as fast as the mecanicals for one. take a look at the nss hemi cars and see for yourself. i cound not make mecanicals work neither could other people. i footbrake with my 950 vac carbs and have no problem and yes i do have a cast crossram. i know alot of other guys running the crossram carbs on their cars.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: cudaman1969] #1493480
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stop by and see me at norwalk if you haven't got it figured out by then. my pops will be there and he is a damn good carb guy. i can leave off the foot brake at idle with my cross ram, and still go on 100 mile round trip drives and cruises.

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Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #1493481
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wont dale help you?

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #1493482
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I had 4780--800- double pumper carbs on my max wedge at one time just to try and had no problem at all. Had no real gain over my set so I gave them back. Like I said the idle circuits have to be right.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: ro23car] #1493483
09/03/13 10:49 PM
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wont dale help you?





We have talked to Dale quite a bit. After everything we told him, he said quit looking at the carbs, the problem is somewhere else. I plan on giving these carbs to Dale over the winter. I was told by the previous owner that the Carb Shop had set these up. Oh well.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: 68 HEMI GTS] #1493484
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stop by and see me at norwalk if you haven't got it figured out by then. my pops will be there and he is a damn good carb guy. i can leave off the foot brake at idle with my cross ram, and still go on 100 mile round trip drives and cruises.


I'm sure everyone will be able to find me ay Norwalk. I'll be the guy with the look of total depression.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Charlie Moore] #1493485
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stop by and see me at norwalk if you haven't got it figured out by then. my pops will be there and he is a damn good carb guy. i can leave off the foot brake at idle with my cross ram, and still go on 100 mile round trip drives and cruises.


I'm sure everyone will be able to find me ay Norwalk. I'll be the guy with the look of total depression.





Hang in there Charlie - I'm sure you will get it figured out soon. Hey maybe get some Eddy carbs on there and have at it Hope to see you at Norwalk once again and maybe if it aint runnin good you will sell it to me cheap!!!


Russ

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Sure is a nice car Charlie!


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Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: ro23car] #1493487
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Why won't they work?


ok i will rephrase my reply. i know of 5 different people that tried 950hp mecanical carbs and none of them could get them to work. plus my self 4 were on cast crossrams 2 were on sheetmetal intakes.


probably because it way to much, I have seen many 750 double pump carbs on tunnel rams.not to mention dominators on applications that need them.


950's will work if they are vacuum secondaries.


I must be missing something? what does the vac secondary have to do with it? you are only on that circuit for a second.


yes you are missing something.the secondaries do not open as fast as the mecanicals for one. take a look at the nss hemi cars and see for yourself. i cound not make mecanicals work neither could other people. i footbrake with my 950 vac carbs and have no problem and yes i do have a cast crossram. i know alot of other guys running the crossram carbs on their cars.


he has a lean condition a dp would help. people run them all the time.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Charlie Moore] #1493488
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Are you using the newer Mopar two piece crossram intake? If so is it stock or modified some?
I use to tune and drive a stock cast crossram 426 Hemi motor, it didn't like big squirters at all (it did like either #32 or 35 squirters depending on the track elevation and outside weather conditions )Bigger squirters would make it hestitate at the hit of the throttle It did have a 8 inch 4500 RPM stall converter though I would foot stall it to 2500 to 3000 RPM and it would flash over 4300 RPM at the hit of the throttle As far as the new Mopar two piece crossram you might want to have someone who knows what to do inside them to fix the fuel distribution help you What I'm trying to say is I don't know anyone that has ran the stock new Mopar two piece make them 60 ft. well That or put a stick shift tranny in it, let the clutch out at 7000 RPM and shift it at 8000 RPM


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Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1493489
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Well we started it tonight and it ran very well cold but the main problem would develop after the en;gine was good and warm. I let it run for about 6 or 7 minutes and shut it off to heat sink a little. Once the intake was warm and i knew the engine was good and warm, I tried to free rev the motor and it did the exact same thing as before we advanced the cam. I'm pretty much done for the year as I'm really tired of working on it and spending stupid money and wasting the entire summer only to be no closer than I was on June 1st when the car first went out. I truly appreciate all the feed back everyone has given. I hope to see several of you at Norwalk next week. Thanks again, Charlie.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Charlie Moore] #1493490
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If it is a problem with the secondaries coming in too soon, why not unhook them and see if it will free rev?

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Charlie Moore] #1493491
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Did you try putting the heaviest secondary springs in and go from there?

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Dodgem] #1493492
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charlie i dont know if you tried this but put a vacuum gauge on the intake and see if you lose vacuum around the rpm that the stumble is happening at. im thinking that when those intake came out that there was a problem with some of them. the oil you are seeing could be from the face of the intake not square.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: Dodgem] #1493493
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Did you try putting the heaviest secondary springs in and go from there?


We did block off the secondaries from coming in and it made no difference. One thing to think about, this problem only seems to come in after the car warms up. When the motor is cold it will rpm very nice. As soon as it gets up to temp it starts to stumble on acceleration.

Re: Hemi stumble/sputter on starting line ??? [Re: ro23car] #1493494
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Are you running a crank trigger? MSD dist. ? timing locked in at say 35 degrees? I don't think anything is wrong with engine if it runs. Just don't give up, things will work out. We have all been there.

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