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Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) #1482450 08/10/13 06:15 PM 08/10/13 06:15 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Any Dodge or Ram techs I need some help please. I was driving my 2004 Ram 2500 with 5.7 hemi to go to one of the Mopar clubs car shows today (I call it the to broke to go to the Nats show) and stopped for a stop light. Upon accelerating when the light turned green my truck died, as I was costing to the shoulder I noticed the ETC light flashing. I tried to restart and nothing but I noticed all of my gauges were down to zero except the volt gauge which was higher than normal then it to would drop to nothing and the outside temp was showing -40 when it is really about 80. Called for a tow to get it to the shop I work at. Hooked my scan tool up to find 12 codes 5 of which were pending. Most of which are showing circuit high input for 5 different sensors, and some crazy things in the freeze frame data such as ECT at -40, spark advance at -64, IAT at -64 TPS 100% and Vehicle speed at 158 mph. I am a Ford diesel tech, and my friend who works at Dodge is out of town. Any input /ideas would be appreciated. As much as I lke driving my Super Bee, I do not want to drive it to work every day until he gets back. Thanks 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482451 08/10/13 06:25 PM 08/10/13 06:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Before you do anything unhook the battery for about 5 minutes. Then hook it back up and see if it starts. I had a controller lock up and do that. On some if you just power it down for a few minutes and wake everything up it would then work normal and no other problems were found. I had a couple like that where Chrysler tech line told me to just let them go and dont replace anything. I will say none of them came back. Ron

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: 383man] #1482452 08/10/13 06:27 PM 08/10/13 06:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,930 Grand Prairie,Texas stumpy I Win
stumpy I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 32,930 Grand Prairie,Texas	Check the battery charge. A bad battery will drive these computer vehicles crazy.

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: 383man] #1482453 08/10/13 07:36 PM 08/10/13 07:36 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: Before you do anything unhook the battery for about 5 minutes. Then hook it back up and see if it starts. I had a controller lock up and do that. On some if you just power it down for a few minutes and wake everything up it would then work normal and no other problems were found. I had a couple like that where Chrysler tech line told me to just let them go and dont replace anything. I will say none of them came back. Ron No luck the only change is now the engine light flashes with the key on. 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: stumpy] #1482454 08/10/13 07:37 PM 08/10/13 07:37 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: Check the battery charge. A bad battery will drive these computer vehicles crazy. The battery was down some from sitting waiting on a tow for 2 hours but charged now, still nothing. 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482455 08/11/13 01:57 PM 08/11/13 01:57 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Any other ideas? 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482456 08/11/13 05:49 PM 08/11/13 05:49 PM
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Geezer pro stock G Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,402 Littleton Colo	If it is the factory original battery I would switch in a known good battery.Had 2004 and 2007 Jeeps at 2 years old batterys internally shorted but tested good and they caused strange symptoms.

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482457 08/11/13 10:58 PM 08/11/13 10:58 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	Quote: Any other ideas? What codes does it have now after the battery disconnect?

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: Todd] #1482458 08/11/13 11:07 PM 08/11/13 11:07 PM
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bdusted440 member Joined: May 2013 Posts: 172 IL,USA	etc light is the throttle body and when they puke that's the codes you get.The power and ground for several components run in series on newer trucks. currently own 1976 duster deluxe 1974 gold duster 1993 Dakota sport 2000 caravan 2002 Durango 1970 v code superbee

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: Todd] #1482459 08/11/13 11:42 PM 08/11/13 11:42 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	What codes does it have now after the battery disconnect? I will pull them in the morning. 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: bdusted440] #1482460 08/11/13 11:46 PM 08/11/13 11:46 PM
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runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: etc light is the throttle body and when they puke that's the codes you get.The power and ground for several components run in series on newer trucks. This seems to make sense, any way to test if this is it ? 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: Todd] #1482461 08/12/13 09:34 AM 08/12/13 09:34 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: What codes does it have now after the battery disconnect? The codes are P0073 Ambient temp sensor circuit high input P0113 Intake air sensor 1 circuit high input P0118 Engine coolant temp circuit high input P0443 Evap Control circuit P0463 fuel level sensor A high input P0700 Trans control system P0891 TCM power relay sense circuit high input 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482462 08/12/13 01:42 PM 08/12/13 01:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,609 Southern Oklahoma wildman340 master
wildman340 master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,609 Southern Oklahoma	Time for a new battery. 1974 Dodge Dart Sport 340 4 Spd Endless Project 1999 Ram 1500 CC 5.2 5 speed

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: wildman340] #1482463 08/12/13 02:34 PM 08/12/13 02:34 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: Time for a new battery. To all the advice on a new battery it is definitly not a battery, just swapped a new full charged battery and it is the same. Live data shows ambient, coolant and intake air all at -40, tps at 100%, spark advance at -64 and not showing a RPM signal when cranking. 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482464 08/12/13 04:28 PM 08/12/13 04:28 PM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio Todd pro stock
Todd pro stock Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,377 Ohio	Unplug the crank sensor and see if the affected sensors start reading right. Have had those in the past short out and cause all kind of no start and no communication issues. If that's not it start unplugging one 5v sensor at a time and go from there. Does your scanner comm over the PCI bus or generic bus? Last edited by Todd; 08/12/13 04:31 PM.

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: Todd] #1482465 08/12/13 06:49 PM 08/12/13 06:49 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: Unplug the crank sensor and see if the affected sensors start reading right. Have had those in the past short out and cause all kind of no start and no communication issues. If that's not it start unplugging one 5v sensor at a time and go from there. Does your scanner comm over the PCI bus or generic bus? I have unplugged all of the effected sensors and the crank sensor,with no change. I am going to try the cam sensor in a little while any others I should try? I am going to say it is the generic bus as it is just a cheapo scanner 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482466 08/12/13 08:39 PM 08/12/13 08:39 PM
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runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Ok, I borrowed a friends good scanner and with it it brought up even more codes, they are as follows P2016 ETC force limited power P2111 ETC stuck open P060B ETC A/D ground performance P2167 APP sensor 2 max stop performance P2116 APP sensor 2 min stop performance P2128 APP sensor 2 circuit hi P2123 APP sensor 1 circuit hi On data it shows throttle position at 133% but the blade is closed. 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: runnerrt] #1482467 08/12/13 09:56 PM 08/12/13 09:56 PM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	For the Voltage high codes I would say check the grounds real close but you may have set them yourself if you unpluged the sensors or left them unplugged with the key on. The codes you said it now hs are all related to the Electronic throttle body. Make sure the throttle body has a good ground. It is nice if you have the wiring schematic so you will know which is a ground. Usually high voltage readings are a bad ground of some type. Low voltge readins can be from a shorted sensor but it does not sound like thats your problem. You may end up replacing the throttle body. Ron

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: bdusted440] #1482468 08/12/13 11:00 PM 08/12/13 11:00 PM
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bee1971 master B Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 2,810 Sobieski Wi	Quote: etc light is the throttle body and when they puke that's the codes you get.The power and ground for several components run in series on newer trucks. Mine was replaced twice under warranty - Owned the truck (2004 Hemi Sport) for seven years , only had 35,000 miles on it when I traded it in on my 2011 - Throttle Bodies and the same O2 Sensor twice was the only issue I ever had on that truck First was a known TSB on the throttle body - I cant remember the second off hand http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2005/14-002-05.htm 1971 Dodge Charger Superbee 2011 Ram Sport 1500 Quad Cab Deep Water Blue Loaded Siberian Huskies

Re: Dodge/Ram Techs Some Help Please (Long) [Re: 383man] #1482469 08/13/13 01:04 PM 08/13/13 01:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado R runnerrt OP mopar
runnerrt OP mopar R Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 550 Lakewood, Colorado	Quote: For the Voltage high codes I would say check the grounds real close but you may have set them yourself if you unpluged the sensors or left them unplugged with the key on. The codes you said it now hs are all related to the Electronic throttle body. Make sure the throttle body has a good ground. It is nice if you have the wiring schematic so you will know which is a ground. Usually high voltage readings are a bad ground of some type. Low voltge readins can be from a shorted sensor but it does not sound like thats your problem. You may end up replacing the throttle body. Ron The grounds all look good, I have a FSM I bought on CD years ago for my old truck but it does not show how to test the throttle body. I don't mind replacing it as long as I know its bad. How would I test it ? 1969 Super Bee High School car I got back 2004 Ram 2500

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