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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: RSNOMO]
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08/06/13 03:08 AM
08/06/13 03:08 AM
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Santa Cruz, California
Lefty
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"A high volume pump pumps no more oil than a standard pump at a given pressure and the notion of a pan being pumped dry due to a high volume pump is a fallacy."
Agreed...
OK, any pump then. Either way the pan got sucked low enough to trigger the alarm. It's never happened since so It does happen regardless of what you "think" didn't happen. Funny how you can determine what didn't happen when you weren't there...  Everybody's an "expert" on the Internet. 
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: 70VERT]
#1479848
08/06/13 11:33 AM
08/06/13 11:33 AM
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Well your dented oil pan definitely needs replaced. I would go with one of the new repop "Hemi" 6 quart pans(and correct oil pickup) as they don't hang down under the car and will avoid future damage. http://store.440source.com/1970-71-Hemi-E-Body-6-Quart-Oil-Pan/productinfo/200-1123/You could send it out to be chrome plated if it's a must. I would avoid those cheap chrome pans.  Like stated you should have about 3/4" between pan and centerlink, you are sitting on the centerlink. It looks like possibly your engine and tranny are tilted downward. Can you post a pic of your transmission mount? Put a small level on the oil pan rails and see if the engine sits level front to back.
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: KillerBee]
#1479849
08/06/13 01:03 PM
08/06/13 01:03 PM
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When I rebuilt my 440, I purchased a windage tray and didn't use it because I couldn't get the clearance for my oil pickup tube that came with the 8 quart pan I bought. I cut out a little bit at a time trying to get the clearance, but the tray was going to have to be cut so much, I stopped and just gave up on it. I flog on it now and then with no issues.
My center link also rubbed on the original and new pans both. Before I put in new pan, I did some "bodywork" to the new oil pan for clearance. New motor mounts, engine sits level, so idk what the problem was with mine either.
'71 Satellite Sebring 440
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: JohnRR]
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08/06/13 08:44 PM
08/06/13 08:44 PM
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PORT ALBERNI , BC., CANADA
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I have the stock pan on it right now. The linkage rubbed just enough to scratch up the paint. drain plug threads are marginal and I'm gonna be doing some cam work, so I figured I'd straighten out this pan issue finally. Just didn't know if the difference in performance would be worth it (or noticeable)Yeah I was concerned about shimming the engine not knowing what that would mean to driveshaft alignment. Chrome pan is only a thought right now it depends on the bucks thnx
Sounds like you have motor mount issue , there should be 3/4" space between the pan and the centerlink.
3/4" would be great!!!......BUT...in 40 years of big blocks in B bodies and C bodies, I have yet to see any more than 1/2" maximum. My Challenger was close, and my '68 GTX has maybe 3/8" at best. MY '66 Hemi car has 3/8"...just measured it. Never had a problem.....
All the cars have trays...
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: superwrench]
#1479852
08/06/13 09:55 PM
08/06/13 09:55 PM
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I have the stock pan on it right now. The linkage rubbed just enough to scratch up the paint. drain plug threads are marginal and I'm gonna be doing some cam work, so I figured I'd straighten out this pan issue finally. Just didn't know if the difference in performance would be worth it (or noticeable)Yeah I was concerned about shimming the engine not knowing what that would mean to driveshaft alignment. Chrome pan is only a thought right now it depends on the bucks thnx
Sounds like you have motor mount issue , there should be 3/4" space between the pan and the centerlink.
3/4" would be great!!!......BUT...in 40 years of big blocks in B bodies and C bodies, I have yet to see any more than 1/2" maximum. My Challenger was close, and my '68 GTX has maybe 3/8" at best. MY '66 Hemi car has 3/8"...just measured it. Never had a problem.....
All the cars have trays...
OK...3/4" was an optimistic guess without measuring.
So I just measured mine and I'm at 1/2"
My application is a 1971 Challenger R/T with 4 speed.
Mity Mount engine mounts(with additional torque strap) and poly transmission mount with a couple washers in the tranny mount as shims.
Biggest issue I had was the engine was sitting just a bit higher on the driver's side...I added a couple washers in-between the rubber engine mount and the steel engine bracket on passenger's side.
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: superwrench]
#1479853
08/06/13 11:04 PM
08/06/13 11:04 PM
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JohnRR
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I have the stock pan on it right now. The linkage rubbed just enough to scratch up the paint. drain plug threads are marginal and I'm gonna be doing some cam work, so I figured I'd straighten out this pan issue finally. Just didn't know if the difference in performance would be worth it (or noticeable)Yeah I was concerned about shimming the engine not knowing what that would mean to driveshaft alignment. Chrome pan is only a thought right now it depends on the bucks thnx
Sounds like you have motor mount issue , there should be 3/4" space between the pan and the centerlink.
3/4" would be great!!!......BUT...in 40 years of big blocks in B bodies and C bodies, I have yet to see any more than 1/2" maximum. My Challenger was close, and my '68 GTX has maybe 3/8" at best. MY '66 Hemi car has 3/8"...just measured it. Never had a problem.....
All the cars have trays...
220 , 221 ... whatever it takes , it's been a while since I have been under one of my cars , i just remember using a piece of 1" pine to support the engine while the trans is out . Whatever the actual number is it's a lot more than the paper thin thickness the OP has and not all pans are the same in that rear part of it , some hang lower than others .
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: 70VERT]
#1479856
08/07/13 01:55 AM
08/07/13 01:55 AM
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Do you know if the k-member has been changed? Does your k-member have a two digit coin on it?
What oil pan is in the above pic?
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Re: Windage Tray or not
[Re: 70VERT]
#1479859
08/07/13 06:00 PM
08/07/13 06:00 PM
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The car was originally a 6cylinder auto---cloned toa 440RT with 4 speed. As far as I know the oil pan is stock 440
What kind of mounts were used and what is the number that is embossed into the pan ?
Your pictures make it very hard to see anything.
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