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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: pushbutton] #1476922
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Pull it tonight, If it is on backwards switch it around. Get a couple knowledgable guys to help you. Maybe, just maybe it is on backwards and you switch it around then we all can have a good laugh at the Nats. If not you can take flywheel with you to the Nats. and compare before buying a new one. And if you tell us were you will be we all can get a good look at. You've got ten hours or 48 hours or so and the clock is ticking! Lol!!

Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476923
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OMG!!!!!! What an idiot! Well that settles that. Thanks for your help guys. Even with it in backwards it still has to be the wrong size. I know what I will be buying at the Nats!




No it shouldn't be the wrong size if it's a 130 tooth wheel and the original 513 bell. The pilot hole will not be blocked with the wheel in correctly. If you feel like you have to buy a new flywheel get a billet wheel.

Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: superbeedave] #1476924
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Pull it tonight, If it is on backwards switch it around. Get a couple knowledgable guys to help you. Maybe, just maybe it is on backwards and you switch it around then we all can have a good laugh at the Nats. If not you can take flywheel with you to the Nats. and compare before buying a new one. And if you tell us were you will be we all can get a good look at. You've got ten hours or 48 hours or so and the clock is ticking! Lol!!



I can do it, just hate doing it in the car lying on my back. I have built many National show winners from the bottom up. I just always assemble everything on the k-member and then drop the car on top. I hate pulling this all back out from underneath. Not enough spare time to pull it before we leave at 6:00 in the morning for the Nats. But thanks for the encouragement.


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476925
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MoparMike69, Did you ever get this issue taken care of? Just curious!

Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: superbeedave] #1476926
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MoparMike69, Did you ever get this issue taken care of? Just curious!





Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: pushbutton] #1476927
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Talked to Wayne Brewer at the Nats. He gave me the diameter measurements of the correct flywheel. I compared my inspection cover with one of his 10.5 ones and they match, and my bell is alum also. So this weekend I will be pulling the flywheel and then I will also be able to confirm the bell housing. Oh and just for general info he said there isn't any way to put the flywheel in backwards and bolt up the clutch.
I hope to be able to move on after this week end! I will update.


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476928
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Oh and just for general info he said there isn't any way to put the flywheel in backwards and bolt up the clutch.
I hope to be able to move on after this week end! I will update.




If that is the case them what may have happened is that someone swapped the flywheel ring gear and put it on wrong ??? I just had one flipped because of some ground teeth , heat it up and it falls off , heat it up and slip it on ???

Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476929
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Talked to Wayne Brewer at the Nats. He gave me the diameter measurements of the correct flywheel. I compared my inspection cover with one of his 10.5 ones and they match, and my bell is alum also. So this weekend I will be pulling the flywheel and then I will also be able to confirm the bell housing. Oh and just for general info he said there isn't any way to put the flywheel in backwards and bolt up the clutch.
I hope to be able to move on after this week end! I will update.


As long as the pressure plate holes go all the way threw yes ya can.ive seen some really hokey stuff done.like leaving bolts out of the flex plate because they don't all line up .because it was backward. Where theirs a will their is a way to coble it up.


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: bdusted440] #1476930
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(quote),Talked to Wayne Brewer at the Nats. He gave me the diameter measurements of the correct flywheel. I compared my inspection cover with one of his 10.5 ones and they match, and my bell is alum also. So this weekend I will be pulling the flywheel and then I will also be able to confirm the bell housing. Oh and just for general info he said there isn't any way to put the flywheel in backwards and bolt up the clutch.(quote),
Mr Brewer needs to call me,!! Because I have seen flywheels put in backwards,and clutch bolted up!! as well, so yes it can be done ,is done, !!
still appears you have the wrong flywheel as well!

Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: dennismopar73] #1476931
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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476932
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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Was the flywheel on backward?

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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Was the flywheel on backward?




Bueller! Bueller! We're waiting! Gotta be something wrong.

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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Was the flywheel on backward?



No


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476935
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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Was the flywheel on backward?



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Keep us posted.

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I also had this problem on a SixPack motor I built where the starter hit the ring gear and it turned out to be the flywheel made by Mcleoud . The ring gear was a bit closer to the starter and the gears would not mesh. I used a OEM flywheel and no more problem. My problem was compounded by a bit out of spec TIR. Check the TIR (runout)of you bell to see if it within spec .There is also a lil play in most starters where you can pull it back away from the flywheel just a tad when you tighten it to the bell.

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Could not find any numbers on the flywheel. As stated earlier bell housing # 2892513 and date code of 05102. Bell housing also had penta star so it is original. I am going to check run out on bell and from there I guess replace the flywheel then bolt in the starter before putting the clutch and transmission in. This one really has me baffled and thank for all the help so far. Gonna call Brewers in the morning.


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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: MOPARMIKE69] #1476938
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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Are you asking if that one is a 130 tooth or you have confirmed it is by counting the teeth now that it is out ?

I have looked at pictures of original flywheels and it's hard to tell if that ring gear is in the right place or not. I have a bunch of flywheels at home but I keep forgetting to drag one out, I'll look tonight if no one comes up with a picture and measurement.

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Ok. pulled it all. Bell housing # 2892513. Flywheel 13 1/4 diameter. 130 tooth. ??????




Are you asking if that one is a 130 tooth or you have confirmed it is by counting the teeth now that it is out ?

I have looked at pictures of original flywheels and it's hard to tell if that ring gear is in the right place or not. I have a bunch of flywheels at home but I keep forgetting to drag one out, I'll look tonight if no one comes up with a picture and measurement.



No it IS a 130 tooth. Heres a pic from the side of the flywheel

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Re: 383 starter size problem [Re: dennismopar73] #1476941
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(quote),Talked to Wayne Brewer at the Nats. He gave me the diameter measurements of the correct flywheel. I compared my inspection cover with one of his 10.5 ones and they match, and my bell is alum also. So this weekend I will be pulling the flywheel and then I will also be able to confirm the bell housing. Oh and just for general info he said there isn't any way to put the flywheel in backwards and bolt up the clutch.(quote),
Mr Brewer needs to call me,!! Because I have seen flywheels put in backwards,and clutch bolted up!! as well, so yes it can be done ,is done, !!
still appears you have the wrong flywheel as well!




Show me a picture of a mopar V8 flywheel bolted up to a crank backwards with all 6 bolts? Can't be done.


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