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383 starter size problem *Updated* +update+
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I bought a 70 runner with an original 383, 4sp set up. Engine already rebuilt and dynoed (I have the paper work) Anyway I get all the wiring etc ready for a start up and the starter hits the flywheel rather than engaging. I take off the inspection cover and sure enough the flywheel is almost rubbing the case of teh starter.
So are there different starters for 4 speeds? Tried to measure the flywheel in the car and it looks like 13inch. Maybe 12.5.
It has headers and before I remove the starter I need to know. It has to be either wrong starter or maybe even too big of a flywheel (God Forbid!)
Thanks for any insight.
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69 GTX hard top
70 Road Runner 4 speed
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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07/31/13 11:35 AM
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Pull the bell and count the teeth.there are only 2 wheels for a BB except hemi in cars.Either 130 or 143.I doubt a 143 will fit a 130 bell.If reversed the starter wont be near the teeth.Maybe someone used a truck setup.Rocky
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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So I possibly could replace the bell and fix the problem without pulling the clutch and flywheel?
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Its possible.Pull the bell and count the teeth.If you can turn the engine you can mark the teeth and turn the wheel and count them thru the inspection cover.I doubt a truck flywheel would fit in a car bell.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Do dyno operators use an elec motor attachment to start engines??? If not they would have used a regular starter in the bell. I would pull the starter & see what you see
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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I will for sure be checking that out! If I could be so lucky? thanks 
On a 11" bell the two widest two holes for the insp cover are 15 3/4" center to center.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Do dyno operators use an elec motor attachment to start engines??? If not they would have used a regular starter in the bell. I would pull the starter & see what you see
Those were my thoughts exactly, that's why my surprise when the starter did not fit.
What is making either of you think that the dyno used that bellhousing and starter to fire the engine? The last 2 dynos I was on , a Superflow and a Stuska , both had their own starter motor, even iff this bell was used as an adapter on the dyno the engine still would have ran.
The only Mopar engine that I know of with it's own 4 speed starter motor is the 66-69 Hemi. And I don't see why a 143 tooth wheel would not fit in a 130 tooth bellhousing , the bellhousing flange size is the same for all the bellhousings.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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I will for sure be checking that out! If I could be so lucky? thanks
Does the car have a blowproof bell or a stock bell ? and not all bells are made to work with both size flywheels , especially not stock bells.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Ok so I have counted the teeth... 130, I have measured the bellhousing...13 3/4 so it is an 11 inch. Therefore it must be the starter. I will be pulling it. Thanks to those who were helpful.
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Ok so I have counted the teeth... 130, I have measured the bellhousing...13 3/4 so it is an 11 inch. Therefore it must be the starter. I will be pulling it. Thanks to those who were helpful.
10-1/2" flywheel with a 11" bell?
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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11 inch bell and 130 tooth wheel wont work.The starter will be too far from the teeth.You need a 10 1/2 inch bell or 143 wheel.Only thing that fits both is a scattershield.Rocky
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Re: 383 starter size problem
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Back in my auto parts days a p/n2250 starter fit all bigblocks except HEMI.
Do you have the cast iron bell or the aluminum bell?
The cast iron needs the 143 tooth flywheel and the aluminum needs a 130 tooth
Ron there are also cast iron 130 tooth bells prior to 1970, but a 70 should have the alum. one.
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Back in my auto parts days a p/n2250 starter fit all bigblocks except HEMI.
Do you have the cast iron bell or the aluminum bell?
The cast iron needs the 143 tooth flywheel and the aluminum needs a 130 tooth
Ron there are also cast iron 130 tooth bells prior to 1970, but a 70 should have the alum. one.
John your right, I usually don't speak about those little engines (383)just 440's.
And I believe the mind is dusty on that part# I through out there, may have been 3250 starter.
Ron 
The only difference between the starters is their torque rating, the nose of them that bolts to the bell or the auto trans is the same.
He still hasn't said what starter he is working with.? Even though one of the mounting holes is bigger than the diameter of the bolt going thru it the starter snout pilots into the bellhousing so there shouldn't be an alignment issue. If he is working with a starter without he pilot snout that could be causing the issue .
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