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Stumped the "MOPARTS" crowd? Say it isn't so!

Here's a pic of my GTX, lines look a little "goofy" but original with no "kinks" from turning them around.



I went through all the '70 b-bodies on the 'bay;
most of the power disc brake lines are toward the inner fender but there are a bunch toward the engine?

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I never saw this , the ones toward the inner fender were NORMALLY found on HEMI cars , but I guess a few could have gotten thru the other way if the toward the engine units weren't in stock at build time ???

BUT looking at that particular master and knowing what I know , that is NOT a correct B body master cylinder for 1970 , that looks like the later E/B body and everything else unit , plus it should be painted BLACK , that's been replaced somewhere along the line

Just looked at the pic again , it APPEARS that SOMEONE also bent those lines to meet up with that master cylinder .

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thanks Mike, What plant & SPD is your black car?
I know my M/C is incorrect, there was a NOS unit on the 'bay with the lines toward the engine listed as '70 b-body w/power disc brakes. Evidently they came both ways, WHY/WHEN/WHERE???

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My R/T has a SPD of 7/14/70 and it is a St. Louis car. I never checked, but it must be one of the last 6 pk. R/T's produced.

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Disc brake master cylinders for '68-'70 B bodies have the lines toward the engine except for hemis. The hemi and non hemi application disc brake master cylinders are basically the same 1-1/8" bore parts internally, so why they changed to the line toward the engine style in '68 I can't even speculate (in '67 all B body master cylinders had lines toward the fender).
For the last over 20 years, the only replacement 1-1/8" cylinder available new for these applications was the line toward the fender style, which probably explains why you see that part on so many cars. Many would rather rebend brake lines than try to find the lines toward engine style cylinder.
If you check the Chrysler part numbers for B body master disc brake numbers you will find the part numbers for non-hemi are for the line toward engine style.
The cylinder shown in that picture on the green car is an aftermarket '71-'75 disc brake cylinder and the brake lines are not bent in an OE manner.

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Galen once told me that Superbirds could come either way. I have a bird with the lines to the outside and my buds bird is on the fender side. Both are low mileage cars believed to be original and 440 cars.

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More than once Galen has made statements that are not correct.I have yet (in 30 yrs) to see a bird with the "original" master cylinder that does not have the lines on the engine side.

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Galen once told me that Superbirds could come either way. I have a bird with the lines to the outside and my buds bird is on the fender side. Both are low mileage cars believed to be original and 440 cars.

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More than once Galen has made statements that are not correct.I have yet (in 30 yrs) to see a bird with the "original" master cylinder that does not have the lines on the engine side.

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Several years ago I was parked next to a real nice Daytona at a local show, and noticed that it had a '71 up disc brake master cylinder on it. I diplomatically mentioned to the owner that the master cylinder was wrong but I had a correct NOS one at home that I'd sell him for a good price. The guy flipped out on me, told me "Galen Govier looked at my car, he told me everything wrong with it, he didn't tell me the master cylinder was wrong, if it was he would have told me! And Chrysler would have never run the brake lines on the engine side because of the heat!"
A few months later I got my new Mopar Collector Guide and I was reading Galen's column. In it he mentioned that a customer whose car he'd recently evaluated had called him and told him someone at a car show had told him his master cylinder was wrong. Galen went on to say that he had been studying cars and records for years, and didn't know everything, but basically did know everything and that the guy should say that Galen had looked at the car and said it was correct, therefore it is correct.
Funny, he had to be talking about me and that Daytona.
The blind leading the blind..........

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By the way, recently a correct appearing lines on the engine side master cylinder has started to be sold through the aftermarket. I think Napa sells it as a rebuilt even though it is new (Chinese).

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This is an original , that is not painted the color it should be .

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Can anyone post the correct casting numbers for the master cylinders?

E B Hemi and non hemi.

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Where do we buy a rebuild kit for the original 1970 engine side master cylinder?

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Another thing that you probably will not agree on is the fact that neither of my friends two Superbirds had the vin number stamped on the rad support. Both had it on the trunk lip. Again, Galen said that was common on Superbirds. The problem is that I mentioned Galen and people on this board love to throw stones at him. That my 2 cents worth.

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