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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: tboomer]
#1472008
07/22/13 10:12 AM
07/22/13 10:12 AM
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MR_P_BODY
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I slowed my car from 8.90s to 10.0... I cant get my NHRA license anymore so I didnt have a choice and it is a lot cheaper due to certs and safety equipment.. before I started running 9s racing was more fun 
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: moparacer]
#1472009
07/22/13 10:15 AM
07/22/13 10:15 AM
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Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY
Dragula
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I went from running low 9s with a full fire suit in my Dart last year to running Mid 11s in a T shirt this year.
The index racing I do not care for. Ran it once, and to say it didn't work out, is an understatement. Maybe if I had a car more suited to that, but I do not like slowing it down.
As for avoiding the 9.99 thing, I completely agree. I am working on getting our car legal for 9.99 or quicker, which I think all I need now is a -5 jacket and my license, but I plan on slowing it down for next season. Got into enough trouble without some of the gear, and I just can't see wearing a warmer jacket and such just to go a few tenths quicker...There are a number of rules for that ET that really do add up in cost...
We had a bad accident at our track a few weeks ago, and since then, they have annouced full enforcement of all the rules will be in place for the next race. We were lucky and just had $1k worth of upgrades and are almost totally legal. I think the solid throttle cable and gas pedal toe hook are the only two items left for us which I was not aware of...And apherently is what went wrong during the accident that got the driver impailed with a fence post at our track.
Last edited by Dragula; 07/22/13 10:17 AM.
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: tboomer]
#1472011
07/22/13 11:58 AM
07/22/13 11:58 AM
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St Paul MN
73swinger
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If you move up to pro (ET wise) you should not be allowed to sandbag in a slower class, unless you truly de-tune the car to fit the class again.  Rock Falls has told people to run where they belong.
Chris Schwartz
73 Swinger 340 12.451 @ 108.78
73 Gold Duster, needs a plan.
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 73swinger]
#1472012
07/22/13 12:06 PM
07/22/13 12:06 PM
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I should have been more clear. I have a Dart that runs low 9's but I am running my 11 sec. Barracuda Street car in footbrake this year. I would never try to slow a car down 2 seconds without swapping to a lower HP engine. I dont post my sob stories on here but I could ramble on for days about how trying to go fast has cost me wheelbarrow loads of money over the years. Decided I would go slow and actually try to make it a whole season without breaking a bunch of stuff. 
67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119
68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152
414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 73swinger]
#1472013
07/22/13 12:07 PM
07/22/13 12:07 PM
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Sweet Home Alabama
MRMOPAR622
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I as well as most others stay away from the Tracks that want to go overboard on the rules!They may own the track an can enforce/make any rules they want,but they can't make you race there!It usually takes them about a year,of no one racing at their track to see the light.That's not the prefered way to do business but some times the only method that works.
Last edited by MRMOPAR622; 07/22/13 12:58 PM.
"To Be The Man'You Have Got To Beat The Man"
"T/D and Pro-Bracket Racer"
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: 73swinger]
#1472014
07/22/13 12:09 PM
07/22/13 12:09 PM
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Puyallup, WA
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I only get out a few times a year. I'll be out this next weekend, and I anticipate the Satellite going 11.70's. I will, however, dial in at 12.00 no matter how fast it goes in order to stay in the sportsman bracket. I don't belong in Pro, up against regular's driving race-specific cars. Call it sandbagging if you want, but I want to have fun when I go to the track; In sportsman, I at least have a chance to be competitive. In Pro, I'm a duck.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: StealthWedge67]
#1472017
07/22/13 01:25 PM
07/22/13 01:25 PM
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Balt. Md
383man
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I only get out a few times a year. I'll be out this next weekend, and I anticipate the Satellite going 11.70's. I will, however, dial in at 12.00 no matter how fast it goes in order to stay in the sportsman bracket. I don't belong in Pro, up against regular's driving race-specific cars. Call it sandbagging if you want, but I want to have fun when I go to the track; In sportsman, I at least have a chance to be competitive. In Pro, I'm a duck.
You know I dont look at it like that. I dont race alot but I look at it like if I can cut a decent light with my car and run the number I dail I have as much a chance to win as anyone else. Course most of the time either my light or et is off.  Ron
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: tboomer]
#1472018
07/22/13 02:10 PM
07/22/13 02:10 PM
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The Swamp
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While attending local bracket races,I talked to a couple of different drivers that have cars that are quite capable of running mid to upper 9.xxs. They have slowed down to run 10.10s or so and couldn't be happier. I believe the reasoning is they no longer have to do all of the crap that is required by the NHRA 9.99 and faster rules. On the other hand,I see the same cars running Sportsman(12.0 and slower) year after year. And a lot of these cars are a lot faster than 12.0! Sandbaggers!!!  This really discourages the people that are new to the sport watching the same cars win week after week...Discuss??
Slowing down from 9.90 to run 10's and not deal with the headache makes sense to me.
On the question of 'sandbagging' - to me, it depends how they are sandbagging. If they took timing out of the car, mechanically adjusted a mechanical secondary throttle stop prior to the race, or did it all with their foot, or via some other non electronic or pneumatic/hydraulic means, I might be more ok with it, than if it were done purely with say a pneumatic throttle stop under the carb, or they dialed it in via their ECU. Technically speaking most of the Super class cars do exactly what you are describing - they are built to run 1 - 2 seconds under the index and then slowed down/stopped to run the number.
I know it takes a certain amount of skill and know how to adjust throttle stops, electronic timers and such in Super class racing but I am more impressed if the guy can run the number without the electro-mechanical aids.
I also knew of a 12.0 bracket racer that if he had run a 4 barrel on the car it would have been in the low 11's, yet he chose to run a 4412 2 barrel. The car was very consistent with the 2 barrel. Was he sand bagging, or just building a savvy combo?
I'd also be interested in hearing from those who build an 8.0 motor and slow it down to go 10.0, rather than build a 10.0 motor and run it to the ragged edge of performance. Does the 8.0 motor live longer, require less maintenance, cost less in the long run?
And as far as those 12.0 sand baggers who could run a lot faster, and win a lot? I guess you see someone often enough in the winner circle ya get to not liking it...like John Force.. I know I feel that way..  No one said everyone eventually wins, and for those who get discouraged, well, that's just tough...pay your dues and learn ...
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Re: Could this be a growing trend?
[Re: kissmyaspen]
#1472022
07/22/13 06:45 PM
07/22/13 06:45 PM
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MY 2 cents? I think people slow down cars to run in different classes so they can go back to winning,! It used to be you started out slow, got better faster,more equipment on the car you moved up classes ,Now when most get there everyone see all those heavy hitters on there , with bigger faster cars, and have trouble competeing so they jump back a class or too , then start dominating the lower classes, then it comes to a reverse domino effect, to the point where even the kids in street can not compete because there are dominating cars in it instead of street cars.Pretty sad when you see three o more s-pro cars pro cars running in street and sportsman all in 1 night
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I ran the car last month at Woodburn and it accidentilly ran 9:23 at 143. MPH, I was playing with the adjustments on the delay box and throttle stop, I missed the mark a bunch on the fastest run 
I ran the car again at Woodburn this past weekend and ran 10:12 at 143.+ MPH, then 10:13 at 143.+ MPH with no changes other than time and running the other lane 
I changed the shift RPM from 6600 to 6800 RPM and that picked the car up to run 10:05 at 143.+ MPH. I was thinking I had everything figured out, 
first round I was not allow to race by the track management based on the car not being in certification and me not being licensed or having all the appropriate driving gear 
I tried to fight them on that but they where able to show me that rule in the rule book on running faster than 135.0 MPH being a trigger also 
