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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: 71340vert]
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07/18/13 02:40 PM
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Google shop the part #, you will be suprised how much the pricing changes between vendors.
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: Viol8r]
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07/18/13 03:31 PM
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Dan@Hotchkis
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I think the Upper control arms are a bit much for the normal enthusiest. Many companies offer a caster correct arm for a fraction of the cost. The tie rod kit is a bit excessive also for the same reason, not to mention I am not a huge fan of running heims for everyday use.
To answer your question, yes there are many options out there for most people. I run a combo of Hotckis springs, Firm Feel TB/ UCA, Ridetech shocks and obviously we will have an entire QA1 front end under it soon. With the above combo of parts (minus QA1) we were 3 seconds faster then the Hotchkis B-body R&D car at the OUSCI Pahrump road course.
I can't wait for a rematch so you can stop holding that over my head, lol. And stop leaving out the part where I beat you handily in the Autocross and Speed Stop(or that you finished 49th overall to my 38th, but whatever).
To the original poster, the best example of the effectiveness of our system would be the autocross event we just did in Carlisle. A 72 Scamp that was bone stock with a 1bbl Slant six placed 1st in A-Body (by nearly 3 seconds) and 6th overall with nothing done to the car other than our TVS and shocks.
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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07/18/13 03:36 PM
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Viol8r
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I think the Upper control arms are a bit much for the normal enthusiest. Many companies offer a caster correct arm for a fraction of the cost. The tie rod kit is a bit excessive also for the same reason, not to mention I am not a huge fan of running heims for everyday use.
To answer your question, yes there are many options out there for most people. I run a combo of Hotckis springs, Firm Feel TB/ UCA, Ridetech shocks and obviously we will have an entire QA1 front end under it soon. With the above combo of parts (minus QA1) we were 3 seconds faster then the Hotchkis B-body R&D car at the OUSCI Pahrump road course.
I can't wait for a rematch so you can stop holding that over my head, lol. And stop leaving out the part where I beat you handily in the Autocross and Speed Stop(or that you finished 49th overall to my 38th, but whatever).
To the original poster, the best example of the effectiveness of our system would be the autocross event we just did in Carlisle. A 72 Scamp that was bone stock with a 1bbl Slant six placed 1st in A-Body (by nearly 3 seconds) and 6th overall with nothing done to the car other than our TVS and shocks.
Well done my friend, well done! Not sure a .5 second is "handily" since my car that had never seen an autocross, but whatever. I still look forward someday to the challenge. I build cars for tracks, not parking lots!! More or less kidding, I enjoy both arena's, but most will agree that they are vastly different.
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
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07/18/13 04:57 PM
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As autoxcuda pointed out, there are some specific design differences in the Hotchkis products that differentiate them from most other parts out there. They are also designed to work together as a system to achieve very linear and predictable results with a minimal amount of effort. For that benefit, you pay a package price, which as others have said, can vary widely from outlet to outlet.
Are they worth it, the answer to that question may vary considerably from user to user. What is your intended application and how often is it used that way, what's your budget in $$, what's your budget in time, what is your mechanical ability, and what is your mathematical ability ( which will also be coupled with what amount of time, effort, and money are you willing to put into researching and understanding the dynamics and applications of suspension theory to under stand how to do all the "cipherin" necessary to combine the ideal mix of components to achieve similar results).
Can you duplicate their results, absolutely...and you can do it for a quarter of the cost, IF, you know why they did what they did, where to source similar components, or how to modify them to get those results, and then test them to validate the calculations.
Or you can buy their kit, install it over a weekend, and be back on the road with minimal downtime, headaches, and hassles.
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: TC@HP2]
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07/18/13 08:09 PM
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Or you can buy their kit, install it over a weekend, and be back on the road with minimal downtime, headaches, and hassles.
This is exactly why I am interested in this kit, I want to drive my car as soon and as much as possible and have as much fun with it as possible. I don't really care who has the fastest setup as most of that boils down to driving ability and not the car itself. Is the Hotchkis TVS kit worth the $3.5-4K? What do I know? I think it is the best marketed though
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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07/18/13 08:32 PM
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To the original poster, the best example of the effectiveness of our system would be the autocross event we just did in Carlisle. A 72 Scamp that was bone stock with a 1bbl Slant six placed 1st in A-Body (by nearly 3 seconds) and 6th overall with nothing done to the car other than our TVS and shocks.
I saw that car at the show... I watched it on the track from above. I can't tell you how surprised I was when I went down to the field and actually looked at the car up close.... "Is this the same car that I just saw buzzing around the track?"... I found myself looking around the field for a similar looking car, because this little 6-banger couldn't possibly be the right one. 
Way Cool! 
Hopefully, I'll be out there next year with my ride. 
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: dangina]
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07/18/13 11:01 PM
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If you can wait, hotchkis has a 20-25% off sale about twice a year, If I remember I think it was around thanksgiving and christmas? 
And if you catch us at a show, we are usually 25% off!
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: RokketRide]
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07/19/13 01:06 AM
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I found a site that shows it for $2029 + 20 ship (A-body), and there is a 2% code that drops that by about 40 bucks. That's getting to be a pretty friendly price for what's included as a "pre-matched set".
Just add shocks and TBars.
Larry!
Long time 
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: RokketRide]
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07/19/13 03:29 PM
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I found a site that shows it for $2029 + 20 ship (A-body), and there is a 2% code that drops that by about 40 bucks. That's getting to be a pretty friendly price for what's included as a "pre-matched set".
Just add shocks and TBars.
Not sure if the site you found is the same but I just bought the 80112 TVS kit from THMotorsports. They have the lowest price on Google search as of todays date (07/19/2013). I am also a previous customer and was able to get 2% off so my total was $2522 w/ free shipping
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: RylisPro]
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07/19/13 04:12 PM
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To the original poster, the best example of the effectiveness of our system would be the autocross event we just did in Carlisle. A 72 Scamp that was bone stock with a 1bbl Slant six placed 1st in A-Body (by nearly 3 seconds) and 6th overall with nothing done to the car other than our TVS and shocks.
how low did the rear of the car sit? i have read guys complaining that the springs don't work so well on a dart/scamp body.
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: cogen80]
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07/19/13 07:58 PM
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how low did the rear of the car sit? i have read guys complaining that the springs don't work so well on a dart/scamp body.
I may have a picture of the car, I'll have to check. I know my daughter took a short piece of Low-Fi video with that car in it, so if nothing else, I may be able to grab a shot from that.
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: Fastback67]
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07/20/13 12:40 PM
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Santa Fe Springs, CA
Dan@Hotchkis
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Here's a couple of shots (one from video). Sorry, but it's the best I can do for you at the moment.
Fastback, you mind if I steal the bottom image? And if possible do you have a higher res?
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Re: Is Hotchkis TVS suspension really worth the money
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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07/20/13 04:23 PM
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Fastback, you mind if I steal the bottom image? And if possible do you have a higher res?
No Problem Dan... Just shoot me a PM with an email address or whatever, and I'll send you the full rez image.
Mike
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