Best carb and intake for my 440?
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07/10/13 04:08 PM
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The machine shop is almost done with my short block and heads, so I need to start thinking of the right carb and intake for my setup.
440 .030 over stock forged steel crank 440 source forged steel rods ross forged aluminum pistons, flat w/valve reliefs rotating assembly balanced about 10.2:1 compression Cloyes Billet double roller hex adjust timing chain set Comp cams solid lifters with EDM hole #2901-16 Cam is custom comp grind. Mechanical flat tappet. Duration @50 is 244 intake 252 exhaust, valve lift is .52 intake .54 exhaust, 108 lob separation.
Ported Eddy RPM Heads comp cams ultra pro magnum bushed steel rockers with roller tips
The car is a heavy; 4000lb with driver 1971 B body. It has a dana 60 with 4.11, posi. We havent selected wheels and tires yet, most likely large street radials. The car is for street and road racing.
Because Im not a carb expert, I was looking at an edelbrock 1813 800cfm thunder avs carb. They are easy to tune. There are so many Holleys I dont know where to begin.
As for intake, comp recommended a single plane which confused me a bit, I thought for sure they'd recommend a dual plane. Im looking at an edelbrock performer RPM #7193, or Torker II #5091. If I get a dual plane intake, I think I'll also try using a tapered spacer from Wilson.
Ideas? Thanks
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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I have built, raced and dyno tuned a bunch of motors very similar to yours, stock stroke 440 motors, 470 HP to 535 HP on CA pump gas. I have tested a Eddy Torquer II, then a Eddy Perfomer RPM and finally a Mopar M1 single plane on the same engine, same day, same carb with no other changes, three hours total time differences between them on a DTS engine dyno in Ontario, CA. The RPM intake makes more HP and torque below 5500 RPM than either of the single plane intakes I buy all the used Performer RPM I can find (for future builds ) for the 440 motors On your deal I would buy a new Holley 950 HP(they are not a true 950 CFM, more like 880 CFM ) and a Performer RPM intake, make sure and check the intake fit to the motor before bolting it on, it may need to be cut to make it fit your motor properly (PM me if you have any questions on that ) That combination(carb and intake) flat works very well on the street and at the drag strip I use to race NHRA stock class with both 426 Hemi motors and Max wedges with the dual stock type Carter carbs, their not a good choice for todays use, same comment on the Eddy carbs or there replacement carbs.
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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The car is for street and road racing.
Explain road racing ?
Also a spacer on the intake of choice , do you have adequate hood clearance ?
A dual plane would be the best , with all the issues as of late with fuel and carter style carbs a holley gets the nod , something in the range of a 750dp , a 650 would give better throttle response. Electric fuel pump with a return style regulator for any carb system/choice.
If the budget allows a drop on , self contained, fuel injection throttle body style system on top of the RPM ...
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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07/10/13 06:17 PM
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The car is for street and road racing.
Explain road racing ?
Also a spacer on the intake of choice , do you have adequate hood clearance ?
A dual plane would be the best , with all the issues as of late with fuel and carter style carbs a holley gets the nod , something in the range of a 750dp , a 650 would give better throttle response. Electric fuel pump with a return style regulator for any carb system/choice.
If the budget allows a drop on , self contained, fuel injection throttle body style system on top of the RPM ...
Road race: racing people on the street, flooring it often, braking hard, turning hard, fun stuff like that.. like smokey and the bandit without the jumps.
As for hood clearance, even if I dont have it, I dont mind driving without a hood until I order a hood that fits.
I dont mind some low end torque loss, I will be buying a converter to best match my engine and goals. I want the car to be as fast as possible but still somewhat driveable in a parking lot
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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I vote for a street dominator with a striped & tuned q-jet. works great on my 88-440 truck FYI.the RPM with open adaptor/Q-jet works just as good with the type of "road racing" you describe. I run that style of race everyday to work and home.
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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07/11/13 03:15 AM
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are the street HP holleys as easy to work on as the edelbrocks?
Both carbs can be work on easily, as long as you understand the different circuits and how they work. It is very easy to change the metering rods on the AFB, AVS style carbs, not so on the jets The Holley style carbs with the screw in air bleeds on the top are very easy to change also, the floats on the Holley type(Quik Fuel, Pro Form and so on)are easier to set on them than the AFB style carbs., squirters are similar to change on both types, the mechanical secondary Holleys have two sets of Squirters(two seperate pumps also ) in them versus one set in the front of the AFBs, the list goes on and on Ultimately EFI is the way to go, if you can afford and understand them
Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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07/11/13 11:36 AM
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I noticed the street dominator has a lower rise than most single plane intakes I've seen. Does this allow more low end torque to be made than the more high rise single plane intakes like the victor, torker II and M1?
You don't need low end with your gears and a converter.You will never be down that low long enough.
I ran a SD on my 470 with a 1" tapered 4 hole on top of a 1" open spacer and that was the ticket for the most hp on the dyno.The SD does idle a little rougher than a dual plane and that is the only drawback in my opinion. You will be fine with either the rpm or the SD.The SD would probably respond to a spacer.I like holleys but run what you like and are willing to tune.
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Re: Best carb and intake for my 440?
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I vote for the Performer RPM and a Thunder Series 800cfm carb. I am biased though...I have a Dual Plane Dual Quad intake with two 500 Edelbrocks perched right on top. I love the driveability. I get in and go. I let the engine sit for about a month and turned the key all of 5 seconds and the engine turned over. I havent touched either carb in 18 months. Set it up right and any carburetor will do what you dial it in for. I just don't like getting in there every other month (I remember those days) to work on my 800cfm Holley (on another 440) and a 4bbl 390 (Slant 6), 2bbl 500 (same slant six)....I bolted on a 500cfm Holley to my slant afterwards and it stayed that way for three years without so much as an idle mix adjustment.
Family owned 1969 Charger R/T DualQuad 440/727/GVO/3.55s
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