Re: engine swap in california
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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06/21/13 02:22 AM
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Jjs72D
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IIRC CA Smog Rules require you to install an engine that is from the same year or newer. Doesn't matter what manufacturer so long as it passes the smog rules for the car your putting the engine in (or maybe it's the engine you took it out of)...
maybe I misunderstood this, but you certainly cannot put a Ford engine in a GM, a Chrysler engine in a toyota...No matter how clean the engine runs.
The swap must be an engine of exact year or newer. If you went with a newer 5.7 HEMI, you'd actually be required to have everything emissions related the HEMI was equipped with including the computer! Crazy, I know.
A 360 looks close enough to a 318. If it were properly tuned and looked a little greasy like it had been there since new, you'd probably skate by the smog guy... as long as the 360 had all the smog stuff the stock 318 had on it.
Don't tell the cops I wrote this. 
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Re: engine swap in california
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06/21/13 12:36 PM
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MuuMuu101
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Re: engine swap in california
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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06/21/13 04:54 PM
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John_Kunkel
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Yep, matters not the brand of the engine but the swapped engine must have the correct emissions-related gear; some folks here have even had difficulty when swapping motors of the same year/make but a different duty rating i.e. light duty versus heavy duty.
If the smog station has questions they'll send you to a referee station and their word is final.
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Re: engine swap in california
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07/04/13 05:43 AM
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nytemuvr
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Get a pre-75 truck or car and do anything you want in CA. I've never had to smog a car of my own, my newest 4-wheeled vehicle is a '72 Challenger.
Mike
Rio Linda, CA
1972 Challenger 340(original owner)
1968 D100
1997 HD Road King
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Re: engine swap in california
[Re: nytemuvr]
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07/04/13 06:33 PM
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MuuMuu101
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Get a pre-75 truck or car and do anything you want in CA. I've never had to smog a car of my own, my newest 4-wheeled vehicle is a '72 Challenger.
Mike
Rio Linda, CA
Please post pictures of the Challenger 4x4. They're always neat to look at. 
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Re: engine swap in california
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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07/30/13 09:51 PM
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nytemuvr
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Not a four wheel drive, I meant a car or truck with 4 wheels...lol, I have seen a 4 x 4 Challenger before at a car show.
1972 Challenger 340(original owner)
1968 D100
1997 HD Road King
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Re: engine swap in california
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07/30/13 10:13 PM
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dodgeboy11
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I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that anything over 25 years old was not smogged in CA? I know NV is anything made in '68 or before is exempt in the two counties that require smog. But, if it were me, I'd get a 360, mill off the 360 on the left front of the block (as if the inspector would ever both checking), stamp 318 on it, bore and stroke it to 408ci with internal balance and nobody but you will know what's inside. I highly doubt they'd ever know the difference between the one motor mount and the rear main cap/oil pan difference. Add some smog legal headers, smog legal intake and carb, little more camshaft that'll still pass smog and you won't know it's the same truck. I'd honestly not even worry about the 360 stamp.
OR, you could just get a 360 from a truck of around the same year and transfer it over. Make sure to get the flywheel/torque converter, the harmonic balancer, the 360 oil pan and the motor mounts (one of them is different but I don't recall off the top of my head which one). If you have an automatic transmission, B&M makes a flexplate that you can use to bolt up to the current converter that will balance the engine at the back. 360's are externally balanced which means there's weight removed from the flywheel and added to or removed from the balancer and torque converter. The piston and rod assembly weighs X amount and the counterweight on the crankshaft has to counterbalance that. On a cast crankshaft the density of the iron is not what it is on a forged crankshaft so there isn't enough weight in the counterweights to offset the pistons and rods. So material is added to the ends of the crankshaft in relation to the counterweights on the front and back. Anyway, perhaps everyone already knew this, but if anyone didn't, they do now.
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Re: engine swap in california
[Re: dodgeboy11]
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07/31/13 05:48 PM
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nytemuvr
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I was under the (apparently mistaken) impression that anything over 25 years old was not smogged in CA? I know NV is anything made in '68 or before is exempt in the two counties that require smog. But, if it were me, I'd get a 360, mill off the 360 on the left front of the block (as if the inspector would ever both checking), stamp 318 on it, bore and stroke it to 408ci with internal balance and nobody but you will know what's inside. I highly doubt they'd ever know the difference between the one motor mount and the rear main cap/oil pan difference. Add some smog legal headers, smog legal intake and carb, little more camshaft that'll still pass smog and you won't know it's the same truck. I'd honestly not even worry about the 360 stamp.
OR, you could just get a 360 from a truck of around the same year and transfer it over. Make sure to get the flywheel/torque converter, the harmonic balancer, the 360 oil pan and the motor mounts (one of them is different but I don't recall off the top of my head which one). If you have an automatic transmission, B&M makes a flexplate that you can use to bolt up to the current converter that will balance the engine at the back. 360's are externally balanced which means there's weight removed from the flywheel and added to or removed from the balancer and torque converter. The piston and rod assembly weighs X amount and the counterweight on the crankshaft has to counterbalance that. On a cast crankshaft the density of the iron is not what it is on a forged crankshaft so there isn't enough weight in the counterweights to offset the pistons and rods. So material is added to the ends of the crankshaft in relation to the counterweights on the front and back. Anyway, perhaps everyone already knew this, but if anyone didn't, they do now.
Not anymore '75 and older can go without being smogged. When that law was initiated it was a car 25 years and older.
1972 Challenger 340(original owner)
1968 D100
1997 HD Road King
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Re: engine swap in california
[Re: nytemuvr]
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08/02/13 05:18 PM
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MuuMuu101
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Not a four wheel drive, I meant a car or truck with 4 wheels...lol, I have seen a 4 x 4 Challenger before at a car show.
I just assumed since this was the truck forum. lol 
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