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Sure Am Glad I Pulled The Pan #1453447
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I pulled the oil pan today to fix 2 small oil leaks..
when it came down it fell out of my hand and hit the
the floor(car was on the hoist) but no big deal...
then I noticed my flapper door was all bent up..
looking at it closer I seen that it had flipped up
and had been hitting the crank... I didnt think it
would flip vertical but it did when it was in the car...
I'm gonna change oil pumps just in case it caused
any pump issues... I pulled 2 rod caps and 2 mains
and everything was fine

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Good move ... but just curious ... how well do you have the doors sealing?

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Good move ... but just curious ... how well do you have the doors sealing?




They are just metal on metal doors... I dont want
them to seal I'm just slowing up the oil movement
on decell... it has a gap around the pick up tube
that will let oil by it sorta slowly... the doors open
on acceleration allowing oil to the rear where the
pick up is... with a baffle across the top to help
keep it off the seal and the crank

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I added a stopper for the door so it cant flip up...
added a new oil pump for the "just in case" and put a
rear main seal in it for the "just in case"... in a little
while I'll go out and put the pan on... its all cleaned
up and ready to go on

Re: Sure Am Glad I Pulled The Pan [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1453451
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lucky you!

Im gonna make sure my doors dont flip all the way up when i install my milodon pan.

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Good move ... but just curious ... how well do you have the doors sealing?




They are just metal on metal doors... I dont want
them to seal I'm just slowing up the oil movement
on decell... it has a gap around the pick up tube
that will let oil by it sorta slowly... the doors open
on acceleration allowing oil to the rear where the
pick up is... with a baffle across the top to help
keep it off the seal and the crank





I ask this because my boat pan has two doors that really don't seal all that well. PROBABLY one of the reasons why the guy who owned this before me FRIED two motors in it ...

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I ask this because my boat pan has two doors that really don't seal all that well. PROBABLY one of the reasons why the guy who owned this before me FRIED two motors in it ...




They're not suppose to seal... they are there to
slow the oil movement.. on decell

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To seal perfectly ?.... I don't think so ... then they would build them with rubber seals of some sort. But I have seen some that have a .200+ gap .... and with hot oil ... that would "leak" like a maggot-farmer.

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So Mike will you have the car out on the streets this week to do some testing?

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So Mike will you have the car out on the streets this week to do some testing?




If the pan is sealed up then yes I should be putting
some miles on it... I put the belts in yesterday
but I still need to bolt the seats in.. thats only
a few minutes

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this is one of those posts that will stick in my mind. good catch


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this is one of those posts that will stick in my mind. good catch




Its a pan that I built but I never figured about the
door flipping up vertical and hitting the crank..
I sorta figured it would go 90* and that would be
it... glad I pulled it for the small oil leak

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this is one of those posts that will stick in my mind. good catch




Its a pan that I built but I never figured about the
door flipping up vertical and hitting the crank..
I sorta figured it would go 90* and that would be
it... glad I pulled it for the small oil leak



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this is one of those posts that will stick in my mind. good catch




Its a pan that I built but I never figured about the
door flipping up vertical and hitting the crank..
I sorta figured it would go 90* and that would be
it... glad I pulled it for the small oil leak



Murphy loves car guys




Yeah he does... I still have a pipe nipple leaking..
it comes out of the block and has a AN fitting on it
that goes to the remote filter... I've had some problems
with this fitting before... I'm gonna pull the header
and fix it right... I've been dancing around this thing
for a while.... at least the pan it sealed up
EDIT
I believe I found the problem... I used a steel nipple
in the block and that is dry and tight... then I
used a steel coupling(and I didnt even have teflon
on it(but I hate using steel)specially steel on steel
so I'll pick up a brass coupler tomorrow and get this problem fixed..... I hope

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Re: Sure Am Glad I Pulled The Pan [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1453461
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Well my fix on the pipe nipple didnt fix the leak..
I'm gonna pull the remote fittings off the block and
see if I can put it back to standard... now I have to
find one of the oil filter plates... Mancini doesnt
carry them (obsolete).. I might have to make one if
I cant find one
EDIT
This engine HATES me... I was running it to see if
the leak was fixed.. I had it running about 1/2 hour
then I lowered it down and was looking at the top side
to make sure where the leak was.. when the upper radiator
hose blew off and covered me and the wall of the shop...
I wonder why I do this sh17... I should pull this
engine and put a stock 318 in it... rant off

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Re: Sure Am Glad I Pulled The Pan [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1453462
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I re-did the pipe nipple coming out of the block... I took
my calipers to the hardware store and got the 3 largest brass ones they had...
it went in much tighter than what I had in it... even with teflon tape...
I pulled the pan and the header just for more room to get this damn
leak fixed... I'll put the pan back on tomorrow... the header is already
back on... at least the pan is easy to get on and off... about 10 minutes..
tomorrow will tell the tale
EDIT
the old steel nipple would bottom out at the end of the threads
before it would get tight... this one is much tighter

Re: Sure Am Glad I Pulled The Pan [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1453463
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Why the heck did it blow off the upper hose?!?


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Why the heck did it blow off the upper hose?!?




I thought it was tight... but it wasnt.. the end
of the clamp was hitting the fancy housing so the
screw quit turning making me think it was tight..
oh well... but when I put it back on I gave it a good
pull to make sure

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Good. I was thinking if it was making that much pressure in the cooling system, you have bigger probs than a small oil pan leak!


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I got the oil leak fixed it looks like... but I still
need to jet this thing down.. still fat and the plugs
are all loaded up with oil... I'm gonna pick up another
set of plugs today and start fresh... it has 7"-8"
of vac at idle in gear so the PV should be close..
sure hope it doesnt have a oil issue.. the pipes are
still coated with oil(inside)... been trying to run
it long enough to burn it out but I need to run it
harder to clean them out... I dont see any oil when
its idling... I tried the OD today for the first time..
I sure like that

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did you drive it on the highway in od .. do u have a wide band on it

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Fortunately you have the experience to be able to figure it out. Just think if you were a rookie. It is frustrating when you try to do a nice job and it keeps fighting you. Hang in there, It's going to be awesome.
Doug

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I got the oil leak fixed it looks like... but I still
need to jet this thing down.. still fat and the plugs
are all loaded up with oil... I'm gonna pick up another
set of plugs today and start fresh... it has 7"-8"
of vac at idle in gear so the PV should be close..
sure hope it doesn't have a oil issue.. the pipes are
still coated with oil(inside)... been trying to run
it long enough to burn it out but I need to run it
harder to clean them out... I dont see any oil when
its idling... I tried the OD today for the first time..
I sure like that






Saw the video Mike, and it looks like an oil problem.. Hope not but there is still time to fix if it is..


Chris..

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did you drive it on the highway in od .. do u have a wide band on it




I've only driven it on my street... its a 55mph road
but I've buzzed it up on it... I do have a wide band
but havent installed yet.. had other problems to worry
about but I will be putting it on this week... its
ready to go on but I didnt want to waste the sensor
being the exhaust is oil soaked... I wanted to get
new plugs for it today but the store I deal with
was out... I'll pick up a fresh set tomorrow... also
my elec fan sensor took a dump when the radiator hose
blew off so I'll replace that tomorrow... it just
runs the fan all the time and I cant get the temp
above 130* with it running like that

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I got the oil leak fixed it looks like... but I still
need to jet this thing down.. still fat and the plugs
are all loaded up with oil... I'm gonna pick up another
set of plugs today and start fresh... it has 7"-8"
of vac at idle in gear so the PV should be close..
sure hope it doesn't have a oil issue.. the pipes are
still coated with oil(inside)... been trying to run
it long enough to burn it out but I need to run it
harder to clean them out... I dont see any oil when
its idling... I tried the OD today for the first time..
I sure like that






Saw the video Mike, and it looks like an oil problem.. Hope not but there is still time to fix if it is..


Chris..




Its getting much better just running it... I still
believe its my exhaust from the first engine.. being
that my muffs are at the back bumper and on a angle
I think there is a load of oil in them... I'm thinking
of pulling them and spraying brake clean in them and
dumping out what I can... with out running it on the
road with some good exhaust flow it isnt getting hot
enough to burn it out... nothing at idle and its
getting better with reving it

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And I thought I was the only one a car fought against. Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with it. You know it'll be worth it when you're done though.
BTW, Happy Birthday.

Tim


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And I thought I was the only one a car fought against. Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with it. You know it'll be worth it when you're done though.
BTW, Happy Birthday.

Tim




Thanks on the B-day... I went to change the electric
stat for the fan today... I bought one this morning
and its my luck... it was bad out of the box.. they
will have a new one tomorrow....I think I'm gonna
pull the intake tomorrow to check the backs of the
valves to see if they have oil on them

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Happy Birthday ! Mike

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And I thought I was the only one a car fought against. Sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with it. You know it'll be worth it when you're done though.
BTW, Happy Birthday.

Tim




Thanks on the B-day... I went to change the electric
stat for the fan today... I bought one this morning
and its my luck... it was bad out of the box.. they
will have a new one tomorrow....I think I'm gonna
pull the intake tomorrow to check the backs of the
valves to see if they have oil on them






I hope they are dry..

This is the engine with all the problems on the dyno??

I had one that just wouldn't get the rings seated, so I had to tear it down completely and re hone and used a standard tension ring and finally got them to seat.. Only happened to me one time over the years.


Happy Birthday..



Chris..

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Thanks on the B-day...







x 2 .... P-guy ....and is that 1951 or 1851 ??

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happy birth day mike do u think you will bring it to joshes race at norwalk in sept

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I hope they are dry..

This is the engine with all the problems on the dyno??

I had one that just wouldn't get the rings seated, so I had to tear it down completely and re hone and used a standard tension ring and finally got them to seat.. Only happened to me one time over the years.


Happy Birthday..



Chris..




No this engine was fine on the dyno.. the first
one trashed out..when it was in the car

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Happy birthday Mike. Sounds like it is coming around. Just need to get it on a road where you can put the hammer down. Jim

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Happy birthday Mike. Sounds like it is coming around. Just need to get it on a road where you can put the hammer down. Jim




Thanks... I hope to get out tomorrow afternoon and
get a few miles on it

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Happy birthday Mike.

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Happy birthday Mike.




Thanks.... I got the fan switch on.. thats working fine..
took the car out for about 8-10 mile run to try and
burn out the exhaust... most of the smoke/oil is gone
but it still has a little.. I believe it still some
residual oil in the muffs.... but when it cools down
I'm gonna pull the intake and look at the back side
of the intakes to see if its a valve seal issue...
I'm thinking I might just pull my back up engine out
of the race car and do a freshen up on it and slap
it in for drag week... I need to do a cranking pressure
check to see if I should order up a set of pistons
if its to high of pressure... that engine has been
good all along.. its my 396 W-2 engine... but if I
remember right its only 11.0:1
EDIT
I found my oil consumption issue... it was sucking in
oil at the bottom of the intake and the head ports..
I'll fix that tomorrow after I go apply for SS...
when I checked all four corners it was like .001 out
top to bottom which is no biggie... BUT I think the
ends must have been bowed down a touch... I'll check
it with my straight edge and if needed mill it(more
of a PITA to set it up than milling it)

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