Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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11/03/08 01:58 PM
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Valvoline Racing VV211
Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil 20W50 weight 1 quart
Item# 949-VV211
Only $4.99
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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Up in the great white north I would go with VV850 in winter and VV851 in summer. 
Just to be clear, those two are the black bottle non-detergent oils which are said to have a shorter drain interval. The bottles are marked "Not Street Legal"
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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Is it possible to get enough zinc AND detergent with VR1?
i called their tech line and they said they do have sufficient quantities of both. drain interval in 3 months/ 3000 miles.
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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Is it possible to get enough zinc AND detergent with VR1?
Yes. VR1 has the Zinc package with a detergent. Their web page specifically calls it out as OK for street use.
They separate what they call "conventional oil" from VR1 in the silver bottle here. The VR1 is still a dino oil. Here's the link. Valvoline Racing Oil Page
Also here is the link for their Zinc FAQ page.
Valvoline Answers About Zinc
For a car with no converter, another good option if you can find it is a 15W-40 diesel oil that is rated CI. Stay away from the newer CJ diesel oils.
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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Up in the great white north I would go with VV850 in winter and VV851 in summer.
One more thing. If you've been running a non-detergent oil for an extended period of time, keep running it. Don't switch as the detergents will tend to put all the nasty stuff in suspension.
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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I sent in two samples (one new and one used) of Valvoline VR1 20w-50 racing oil for analysis at the local Caterpillar oil lab. This is thier SM rated oil, part number 211 that they claim has extra zinc.
Results for the new oil sample in ppm
Al-0 Ca-2121 Cr-0 Cu-0 Fe-1 Pb-0 Mg-21 Mo-0 P-1049 K-5 Si-4
Ag-1 Na-0 Sn-0 Zn-1182
The used oil sample had Zn-1172
The oil guy that talked to us the other night is big on oil analysis. His suggestion was to always send a control sample along with your current one, so you know what you are getting back. He gets good results from using Stavely for his analysis work. If you send a known second sample and it comes back vastly different from the first time, you know something may not be right, and you may need a retest.
When you look at the high reading for Ca, that must be the calcium as part of the detergent package.
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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11/03/08 07:13 PM
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Non detergent oils are no big deal in a hobby engine. I dont have the number handy, but I run the straight 30WT "not for street use" VR1. It costs me like $8/qt, and has zink over 1300ppm iirc.
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
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Re: What specific oil to use 440 Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil
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11/04/08 03:11 PM
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If you've been running a non-detergent oil for an extended period of time, keep running it. Don't switch as the detergents will tend to put all the nasty stuff in suspension.
My newly rebuilt 440 in the Coronet was very clean I thought. After running 15-40 Lubrication Engineers diesel oil, the rockers and top of the head is cleaner than I have ever seen in a motor. Everything looks like it has been cleaned with 0000 steel wool and penetrating oil. 
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