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Rid of Mopar electronic mess! #1437705
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After years of running the Mopar electronic ignition in my 69 Superbee I finally decided that I wanted to do away with that aftermarket look and go back to stock. Well, sort of! I put a Pertronics unit with their black coil in my stock recently restored distributor and it seems to start and run better than the electronic ignition. Still trying to figure out how to keep stock looking but bypass the Ballast resistor. I put a jumper wire on and drove it around for a few days and I liked it. Of course had to also tweek in my advance and the spring setup. My biggest problem now is I need an 8.0 or 8.5 vacuum advance. It seemed to run cooler at highway speeds with 56 degrees full advancement with the other setup than the 52 I have now with my stock dist. Does anyone have an idea on where I can get one at? The only ones they seem to offer or have is either a 6.5 or 9.5. The electronic dist. plate is different than the 69 stock dist. plate so they will not interchange. Thanks! Dave.

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Re: Rid of Mopar electronic mess! [Re: superbeedave] #1437706
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On the ballast resistor, just gut it and straight wire it on the inside. Will look stock.

Re: Rid of Mopar electronic mess! [Re: superbeedave] #1437707
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Get the 9.5 vac adv can & JB weld strips of feeler gauge on the back side to limit the notched arms' travel into it. EDIT If you need an 8.5 can?? install the 9.5 unit & at idle pump it up with a Mityvac till it gives you 17 (8.5 X 2) additional advance above your initial timing & note the vac reading on the pump at that point then remove the can & pump it back up to that number & select the appropriate thickness of feeler gauge(s) to limit further travel of the arm into the can. You'll likely have to retard your initial so you can squeeze in that much additional just for this occaision

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Re: Rid of Mopar electronic mess! [Re: RapidRobert] #1437708
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Is 9.5 stock for my 69 383 or is 6.5 stock? And where or who would have it? I have been having trouble finding a vacuum adv. for my it. And gutting out the resistor is kind of what I had in mind. Thanks!

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On the ballast resistor, just gut it and straight wire it on the inside. Will look stock.






I gutted mine and saved the spades off the ends,then solderd them to a #10 stranded automotive wire,stuck the wire and spades back thru the shell, looks stock and un-molested.

the black coil is a pertronix coil correct?

I used a some of stock plastic wire loom stuf on the red/black wires comeing from the dist to help hide it looking like only the black wire from a points dist.

Re: Rid of Mopar electronic mess! [Re: superbeedave] #1437710
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Right on!

I'm restoring my factory distributor too and will actually be keeping the breaker points. That's right, no more 1970s Mopar ECU under the hood. Not even electronic ignition of any kind. Just simply 1969 stock.

Get a hold of moparts member Paul Petcou known here on the forum as Beeware. Paul races in Pure Stock Muscle Car Drags and has a Sun distributor machine. Send him your distributor and he'll dial it in for you. He'll also give you the skinny on how the Pertronics set-up actually performs in the quarter mile which may surprise you.


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Thanks for the info. guy's. I searched more for a vacuum advance and it seems like what I have found is when it hooks up into the dist. on the plate it goes in from the top of the plate where the ones I have or have always had comes up from underneath the plate! Which one is correct? And I learned to dial in my onw distributors a few years ago.I just always had to pull it out take it apart which takes 5 mins. and another 5-10 mins. to put it back together and back in with a different set of springs. I learned it all from all the guy's on Moparts on how to do the dist. tuning!

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Check this out, 69 stock dual point and it will have hidden HEI module and shorted ballast resistor.

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Is that a distributor for a 340 or 383?

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Is 9.5 stock for my 69 383 or is 6.5 stock? And where or who would have it? I have been having trouble finding a vacuum adv. for my it. And gutting out the resistor is kind of what I had in mind. Thanks!




Is your car auto or stick , stick is 10.5 ...

Also there is more to setting up the distributor than changing the springs.

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Is that a distributor for a 340 or 383?




That is a small block dual point, but the same could be done to a big block , the breaker plate is interchangeable. I had a single point Chrysler housing that had a prestolite dual point breaker plate installed in it.

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Yes I know, I had welded the slots a couple years back to give me 38 total degrees advance all in by 2000 rpm with 15 initial in a 9.0 compression 383 with the compcams. XE268 cam. And the slots were filed to give me 23 degrees adv. I just played around with the springs to get the advance to come in at 1200 and all in by 2000. I used the mallory spring kit. That gives me my best performance. And it is a four speed trans. Thanks!

Re: Rid of Mopar electronic mess! UPDATE! [Re: superbeedave] #1437718
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Okay, For the past month I have been experimenting with the 90's mopar electronic ignition and a petronix and coil in my stock distributor and a newer mallory built mopar distributor and I have to be frank, the petronix revs up so much quicker than the other two elect. setups! I do have the ballast bypassed on the petronix and I have the orange box with a .8 resistor for the other elct. setups. But with the petronix ignition the timing marks seems to jump around 2-3 degrees with my dial back timing light and it did annoy me. Can anyone explain to me why this is? Thanks, Dave!

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Which Pertronix did you install? The II is supposed to be adaptive, maybe its doing its thing.

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#1, I had it for a little over 3 years and just recent I decided to try it out. What was weird was when i installed it a few weeks ago I used a Mallory high perf. coil for points and the timing marks didn't jump around. Then when I put on the petronix coil that is when the marks started bouncing around.

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My 64 300 had a dual point distributor in it when I bought it. The timing jumped around a lot, to the tune of 10 degrees or so. Turned out the distributor was worn out and sloppy.

I would go back into the distributor and see if something was loose.


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and a petronix and coil in my stock distributor and a newer mallory built mopar distributor the petronix revs up so much quicker than the other two elect. setups! But with the petronix ignition the timing marks seems to jump around 2-3 degrees


Twist the rotor back & forth lightly just not enough to get into the springs & see how much rotational play you have which is a measure of how much slop there is between the dist lower shaft tang & the intergear slot it fits into & check the dist shaft shaft/bushing wear as Supercuda said as play in either of those will make the marks jump around (spark scatter) just like a worn timing chain will & you see it with the light.


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#1, I had it for a little over 3 years and just recent I decided to try it out. What was weird was when i installed it a few weeks ago I used a Mallory high perf. coil for points and the timing marks didn't jump around. Then when I put on the petronix coil that is when the marks started bouncing around.




did you put the pertronix in a points dist?

I get a reman from autozone for 30$ and drop in the pertronix with flamethrower coil and never had it bounce or give any trouble.

the points dist has a slightly better advance cure to it than the elect dists.

also you need to make sure you have a pertronix rotor button,I replaced mine one time and it give me fits as it did not fit the pertonis piece very well and would let the rotor not line up correctly at a cap term.. missing every now and then. replaced it with the pertronix rotor and have been running it 15 yrs now.

IMHO,the ignitorI is all you need,revs to 15,000 rpm and runs dang near under water in the 4x4

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Yes I put the petronix in a points dist. and it has new bushing in it and all three of my dists. have been setup for 38 total mech. advance
and springs are in all dists. to give me advance starting at appro. 1250 and all in by 2000. And it does have the pert. rotor. Like I said the marks didn't jump around with the mallory chrome hipo. coil. I have gone thru dists. 100's of times and I don't see anything wrong with any of the dists. Maybe I am missing something! I usually play around until something jumps out at me to tell me that is the problem!
Thanks for all the replies guy's!

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