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gas percolating issues #1431271
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when i had my engine on the dyno, and pulled the top off the carbs to change jets, the gas was actually percolating in the bowl.

with the engine in the car, it is hard to start after warmed up and sitting. pump the pedal once and it fires right up.

i was wondering if there is anything out there i can use as a gasket to help keep the heat away from the carbs. my whole setup is custom with the throttle linkage and such, and i don't want to change that, so 1/2" spacers are out. i could double up on the gaskets, raise things a little bit, something like that. seems like there has to be gaskets made of a material that resists transferring heat.

just wondering if there is anything that will help.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431272
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I'm fighting this same problem with my Quadrajet. I have a nice Moroso phenolic spacer and I can still hear the fuel percolating after shutdown. I've seen people run flat sheetmetal heat shields that block some radiant heat from the intake, but I'm wondering if spraypainting the intake with header paint might make more of a difference. I'd rather not go the electric fuel pump route since that feels like a band-aid after the actual issue.


1967 Dodge Coronet Deluxe station wagon

1.03" T-bars, QA1 arms/rods, Cordoba/GM Metric/Volare brake & knuckle, XHDs, Hellwig rear sway, 318 Magnum w/ air gap, 727, 3.23s
Re: gas percolating issues [Re: Secret Chimp] #1431273
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I'm fighting this same problem with my Quadrajet. I have a nice Moroso phenolic spacer and I can still hear the fuel percolating after shutdown. I've seen people run flat sheetmetal heat shields that block some radiant heat from the intake, but I'm wondering if spraypainting the intake with header paint might make more of a difference. I'd rather not go the electric fuel pump route since that feels like a band-aid after the actual issue.




Even with an electric pump, it is still an issue. I have an electric fuel pump and I have the same issue although, I'm sure the electric pump makes it a little easier to start over a mechanical pump.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: parksr5] #1431274
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Are you using an iron or aluminum intake? I have an aluminum Edelbrock and it throws off a lot more heat than the old iron 2 barrel that came with the car.


1967 Dodge Coronet Deluxe station wagon

1.03" T-bars, QA1 arms/rods, Cordoba/GM Metric/Volare brake & knuckle, XHDs, Hellwig rear sway, 318 Magnum w/ air gap, 727, 3.23s
Re: gas percolating issues [Re: Secret Chimp] #1431275
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aluminum stage V intake.

i know there are materials out there that do not allow heat transfer; think tiles on the space shuttle.

hard to image that either no one makes a gasket out of a material that at least helps, or material like this isn't available in a reasonable thickness to make a gasket out of.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431276
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ok, just typed in "carburetor gasket heat" on summit's site, and have all kinds of options from edelbrock. just have to look them over and see what the thickness of these are. good starting point though.

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here we go, from the edelbrock site. the last 4 digit number is the edelbrock part number.


Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9265
Divided Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9266
Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gaskets for Edelbrock Dual-Quad Manifolds - 0.125" thick - 2 gaskets included 9267

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431278
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ok, just typed in "carburetor gasket heat" on summit's site, and have all kinds of options from edelbrock. just have to look them over and see what the thickness of these are. good starting point though.




Mick,

Had the same problem. I bought some composite gaskets from summit. Even the 1/4" help, however, the air cleaner does rub a bit in a couple of places on the airbox.

Do you have any non ethanol fuel available in your area? Ethanol tends to flash off pretty quickly. It doesn't help that the edelbrock/carter fuel bowls are small.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431279
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here we go, from the edelbrock site. the last 4 digit number is the edelbrock part number.


Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9265
Divided Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9266
Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gaskets for Edelbrock Dual-Quad Manifolds - 0.125" thick - 2 gaskets included 9267




IMO I would not go with just a gasket. I have a half inch phenolic spacer and still have problems. And I'm not exactly running a 11:1 engine in Florida or anything.


1967 Dodge Coronet Deluxe station wagon

1.03" T-bars, QA1 arms/rods, Cordoba/GM Metric/Volare brake & knuckle, XHDs, Hellwig rear sway, 318 Magnum w/ air gap, 727, 3.23s
Re: gas percolating issues [Re: Secret Chimp] #1431280
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IMO I would not go with just a gasket. I have a half inch phenolic spacer and still have problems. And I'm not exactly running a 11:1 engine in Florida or anything.




the issue is linkage, hood clearance, etc... i'm going to try the gaskets from edelbrock first and go from there. if it isn't enough, i'll make a decision at that point.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431281
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here we go, from the edelbrock site. the last 4 digit number is the edelbrock part number.


Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9265
Divided Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9266
Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gaskets for Edelbrock Dual-Quad Manifolds - 0.125" thick - 2 gaskets included 9267





Those gaskets are not made of any special material FWIW. They are just thicker.

I'm in the process of developing a gasket out of advanced materials to combat the heat transfer issues.

Stay tuned

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: roadhazard] #1431282
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here we go, from the edelbrock site. the last 4 digit number is the edelbrock part number.


Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9265
Divided Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9266
Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gaskets for Edelbrock Dual-Quad Manifolds - 0.125" thick - 2 gaskets included 9267





Those gaskets are not made of any special material FWIW. They are just thicker.

I'm in the process of developing a gasket out of advanced materials to combat the heat transfer issues.

Stay tuned




interesting. if you go to the webiste, the description is of a rubber compound or something like that.

PM me when you have something!

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431283
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here we go, from the edelbrock site. the last 4 digit number is the edelbrock part number.


Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9265
Divided Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gasket - 0.320" thick 9266
Square-Bore Heat Insulator Gaskets for Edelbrock Dual-Quad Manifolds - 0.125" thick - 2 gaskets included 9267





Those gaskets are not made of any special material FWIW. They are just thicker.

I'm in the process of developing a gasket out of advanced materials to combat the heat transfer issues.

Stay tuned




interesting. if you go to the webiste, the description is of a rubber compound or something like that.

PM me when you have something!




This would be a totally different material than our standard performance base gaskets.

I'll let the word out after I get some made and tested. Can't say when it will be as I have lots of irons in the fire

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: Secret Chimp] #1431284
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sounds good. i ordered some of the edelbrock gaskets, so i'll see how those work and go from there.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: mickm] #1431285
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It might be an apples/oranges comparison (Holley/Carter), but I had a similar problem with a Holley on a 440: there was a real window in re-start time, which I theorized was heat soak from the intake & engine getting to the fuel in the bowls. The GM-style aluminum heat barrier plate solved that. I'd already had a fairly thick "insulating" gasket. Asa far as I know, they're only available for 1x4 carburetion, though. Ebay, Jeg's & Summit had them.

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I'm fighting this same problem with my Quadrajet. I have a nice Moroso phenolic spacer and I can still hear the fuel percolating after shutdown. I've seen people run flat sheetmetal heat shields that block some radiant heat from the intake, but I'm wondering if spraypainting the intake with header paint might make more of a difference. I'd rather not go the electric fuel pump route since that feels like a band-aid after the actual issue.




You may think the electric fuel pump is a bandaid , and to a degree it is, but there isn't a wondergasket that will make this go away. The problem is the ethanol in the fuel, what the electric pump does is fill the fuel bowls so the car has fuel to start on, the only way to isolate the carbs is to get them away from the heat source, a 1/4" gasket isn't going to do that. You still have your carb sitting on the heat source and sitting under an air cleaner assembly that is slowing the escape of the heat.




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Is an electric pusher fan in front of the radiator an option?

You could run it at shutdown to shed heat.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: pacifica] #1431288
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As I understand it, the Road Runner is likely a factory appearing car and you prefer to keep it that way?
I was thinking that some sort of return line may help. Something designed to keep fresh fuel in a loop instead of heated fuel just sitting in the fuel bowls. I'm not sure of how you'd do it though.
Jeff

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As I understand it, the Road Runner is likely a factory appearing car and you prefer to keep it that way?
I was thinking that some sort of return line may help. Something designed to keep fresh fuel in a loop instead of heated fuel just sitting in the fuel bowls. I'm not sure of how you'd do it though.
Jeff




That will help when driving, I know of one member that has/had a fuel perk issue while running once everything got hot , but that's not going to do anything for most people problems ... gas boiling off after shutdown.

Re: gas percolating issues [Re: JohnRR] #1431290
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I had problems with the fuel boiling last summer. I had a 1" phenolic spacer on my eng already. I also added the heat shield under the carb and spacer. And I even put a cool can back on for super hot days that reach near 100. I have not used it but I figure on real hot humid days I can throw an ice pack and ice in the cool can and it might last an hr or so. I could see the fuel boiling out the bowl vents on my 850 and it would flood the car. Had to hold the gas pedal on the floor to get started and usually if I got moving it would be ok when I got more air moving thru the rad and under the hood. I bought 5 gallons of race gas and may try mixing a gallon or so when I gas up in the very hot weather to see if it helps any. It all boils down to this cheap pump gas they are making as it will work fine on newer fuel injected cars with the fuel under pressure up around 50 psi but not so good for our older cars with carbs. I also use an electric fuel pump which is a good help to fight the other problem of vapar lock as it helps fight that with fuel under pressure coming from the tank instead of that fuel being pulled up to the eng by vacum. Ron


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