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Talk me out of it #1429250 05/02/13 04:08 PM 05/02/13 04:08 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	I've been thinking a lot about the color of my Super Bee lately. When I started the restoration in 2005, I absolutely hated the original color of Y4 gold. The original engine was long gone, and there was no build sheet. I decided to paint the car a color I would have ordered if I bought it in 1969. I looked over original color charts, and decided on 999 Vitamin C orange. Two years into the restoration, I discovered that no Super Bees were painted this color. Still, the car looked great and the restoration was completed in 2008. This was a rotisserie restoration, so the entire body was painted orange. A couple years ago, I saw a Dart with a fresh coat of Y4. Like my Bee, it had a white interior, stripe and top. It looked pretty amazing. So, I have been wondering what it would cost to change my car back to it's proper color. Cost is definitely a consideration, but keep this in mind - my Bee is not an investment. I will never get back what I put into it. That's never been the objective. It's a car I plan to keep for a long time. It seems like if I were to do this, it would be best to do it while everything is still factory fresh. I think I know what it would cost to do this, but I'd like to hear your opinions.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429251 05/02/13 04:50 PM 05/02/13 04:50 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 777 Washougal,Wa D Dodge super stock
Dodge super stock D Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 777 Washougal,Wa	Dont do it.Wait 40 years till it needs a paint job. And drive it . Your car is sweet the way it is Stand behind your word

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: Dodge] #1429252 05/02/13 04:56 PM 05/02/13 04:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast V VincentVega super stock
VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	Any other reasons for wanting to switch back? Is the orange constantly gnawing at the back of your mind? I think it looks awesome as-is, and I wouldn't pay more money to change such a great job. Doesn't matter if it wasn't available per-se. Just pretend someone got it off the lot and painted it Colors grow on you over time. Like said, can always put it back to another color later once this paint job gets worn out. Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429253 05/02/13 04:59 PM 05/02/13 04:59 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio Challenger 1 Too Many Posts
Challenger 1 Too Many Posts Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,312 Cincinnati, Ohio	I don't think you could afford the $$ and time it would take to change colors, it's costly to do it right since your car was done right when it was painted orange. Life is short, enjoy your car like it is, imo. I am real glad I went with the original GY8 on my 71 challenger after someone painted it red-orange twice before I got it.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: Challenger 1] #1429254 05/02/13 05:44 PM 05/02/13 05:44 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	I loved orange for the first couple years. Then, I started seeing properly done gold cars. The more I saw, the more I regretted going with orange. I mean, it looks pretty amazing the way it is, but I have become more of a purist over the past few years. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429255 05/02/13 05:46 PM 05/02/13 05:46 PM
Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast V VincentVega super stock
VincentVega super stock V Joined: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,106 Northeast	sounds like a good reason to start a new car Looking for 1975 through 1978 B body 4 door sedan sheet metal or parts cars - monaco, fury, coronet. Please let me know

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: VincentVega] #1429256 05/02/13 05:57 PM 05/02/13 05:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Quote: Wait 40 years till it needs a paint job I'll be 88! Quote: sounds like a good reason to start a new car That is something I have been thinking a lot about too. Currently, I run my own business, which takes a lot of my time (today I have a breather from the action). My wife and I live in a 1200 sq ft house with a 1 car garage, so I don't have the space to take on another project. We already have two other classics in storage. We are hoping to upgrade in the next couple years, so getting a shop is a possibility. The other option is to sell the Bee and find another car closer to what I want - originality. This is a heart-breaking thing to even type since it was my first restoration and the car has been a show winner at several concours events. I mean, the car is kinda part of the family. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429257 05/02/13 06:09 PM 05/02/13 06:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: Quote: Wait 40 years till it needs a paint job I'll be 88! Quote: sounds like a good reason to start a new car That is something I have been thinking a lot about too. Currently, I run my own business, which takes a lot of my time (today I have a breather from the action). My wife and I live in a 1200 sq ft house with a 1 car garage, so I don't have the space to take on another project. We already have two other classics in storage. We are hoping to upgrade in the next couple years, so getting a shop is a possibility. The other option is to sell the Bee and find another car closer to what I want - originality. This is a heart-breaking thing to even type since it was my first restoration and the car has been a show winner at several concours events. I mean, the car is kinda part of the family. Doesn't sound like you have the time now to do as much work restotring a car as you did with the Bee originally. Be patient and constantly looking for the "right" car to replace it. Hopefully something local you can see in person. Then be ready willing and able to pounce on it. Then sell your Orange Bee. But you will need to create your own destiny. So you need to sort of get out there to events and functions and drop hints of looking for suitable replacement cars. Sounds like you get out allready, so maybe just drop the hints and communicate. At the same time you probably will line up potential buyers for the Orange Bee.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429258 05/02/13 06:28 PM 05/02/13 06:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 Too Many Posts
A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA	<------for some reason I like the idea of Y4 and I think you might too Y4 gold with a black vinyl top looks awesome

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: A12] #1429259 05/02/13 06:43 PM 05/02/13 06:43 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	So, what might this color change cost? 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429260 05/02/13 06:46 PM 05/02/13 06:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park swapman top fuel
swapman top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park	You need to sell that Bee as quick as possible. Don't even think twice. I only know of one guy on the planet who goes nuts for Vitamin C. MOPARS. Check out this BIRD I sold and still am kicking myself. So please do the honorable thing and PM me before someone talks sense into you. I will make this problem go away in a PAIR of SECONDS! If the rest of this machine is as stunning as the color, let's play MAKE A DEAL. 7691728-DSC05438small.jpg (110 downloads)

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429261 05/02/13 06:58 PM 05/02/13 06:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: So, what might this color change cost? Tons of labor cost to disassemble most of the car just to get it to the point of repaint. Then paint. Then re-assembly. Now since the parts coming off are already restored and you plan to use them again it's going to be extra time consuming. And then special care needs to be taken to remove and store all the parts to keep them from getting damaged (just expect some will). Paint costs very so much from shop to shop. Even if quality is the same. You should go back to the guy who painted the car and ask him. I'm guessing $5K to $8K just for paint switch. Probably more. Not the labor of dis-assembly and reassembly. A WAG at dis-assembly and reassembly of $6.5K plus. I would WAG at 80 hours of labor at $80/hr top knowledgeable mopar shop. Probably more. I bet that is low. Last edited by autoxcuda; 05/02/13 07:03 PM.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: autoxcuda] #1429262 05/02/13 07:12 PM 05/02/13 07:12 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Sounds about right, autoxcuda. I wonder if there are some other ways to save money. For example, the entire car may not have to come apart. Perhaps the undercarriage could receive undercoating. I am done showing the car, and spend a lot more time driving it. I want it to look as good as it does now, but a painted underside is not practical. Just a thought. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429263 05/02/13 07:30 PM 05/02/13 07:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,471 So Cal	Quote: Sounds about right, autoxcuda. I wonder if there are some other ways to save money. For example, the entire car may not have to come apart. Perhaps the undercarriage could receive undercoating. I am done showing the car, and spend a lot more time driving it. I want it to look as good as it does now, but a painted underside is not practical. Just a thought. I was not even figuring the painted undercarriage. That will be big bux. You can probably keep the vinyl top and dash in there. Maybe keep the interior with carefull masking (labor intensive and high quality labor). But some spot will be missed. But K-member w/motor and suspension will have to be dropped. Grill assy out, all trim that borders paint... on and on. Even if you went undercoating, it's still takes labor to put it on. Too me something like this takes experience, craftsmanship and judgement. I'd think about Rocket Restoration or a quality speciality Mopar shop in your region. I wouldn't be surprise if it ended up costing you near half amount you could sell the car for.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: autoxcuda] #1429264 05/02/13 07:32 PM 05/02/13 07:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Rocket was the first name I thought of. To be honest, I doubt I would do all this. The money spent changing the color could buy me another classic car. Or, we could put a bit more down on our second house. My wife would agree with that second scenario. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429265 05/02/13 08:07 PM 05/02/13 08:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,796 minnarusta TX9H6E4CUDA master
TX9H6E4CUDA master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,796 minnarusta	I'm gonna try and talk you out of it. My friend has a 68 R/T in the gold your talking, with a black top and black interior. Its looks nice but it looks very boring. It looks too "grandmaish" Stay with your 999 color because in my personal opinion it looks great. I wouldn't change a single thing (unless its a automatic). For the absolute best powder coating go to J.I.T powder coating, contact infomation is in my personal profile..

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: TX9H6E4CUDA] #1429266 05/02/13 08:26 PM 05/02/13 08:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Quote: I'm gonna try and talk you out of it. My friend has a 68 R/T in the gold your talking, with a black top and black interior. Its looks nice but it looks very boring. It looks too "grandmaish" Stay with your 999 color because in my personal opinion it looks great. I wouldn't change a single thing (unless its a automatic). I agree,....while I don't normally like the Hi-Impact colors on Mopars of 69 and down vintage, unless it's a full custom, but not in "stockish" trim,....BUT I have to say the Orange works nicely with the stipe/trim/interior combo on this Bee,...I wouldn't change it, unless it was to paint it Black,...GrandMa Gold will just take away the visual impact the car currently has...seriously Mike

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: DAYCLONA] #1429267 05/02/13 08:32 PM 05/02/13 08:32 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Gold and black is pretty boring, but gold and white is pretty striking. The car is a factory n96 4 speed car. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429268 05/02/13 08:46 PM 05/02/13 08:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass DAYCLONA I Live Here
DAYCLONA I Live Here Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 18,157 Mass	Quote: Gold and black is pretty boring, but gold and white is pretty striking. The car is a factory n96 4 speed car. I'd actually would like to talk you into repainting it, but you'd have to agree to TRIPLE BLACK, then you'd be... BADD BEE instead of New Bee 7691867-badbee.jpg (100 downloads)

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: DAYCLONA] #1429269 05/02/13 08:53 PM 05/02/13 08:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,796 minnarusta TX9H6E4CUDA master
TX9H6E4CUDA master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,796 minnarusta	Quote: you'd have to agree to TRIPLE BLACK, For the absolute best powder coating go to J.I.T powder coating, contact infomation is in my personal profile..

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: TX9H6E4CUDA] #1429270 05/02/13 08:55 PM 05/02/13 08:55 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Triple black is as good as it gets! 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429271 05/02/13 09:54 PM 05/02/13 09:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 Too Many Posts
A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Gold and black is pretty boring oh yeah sure it is 7691949-Y4ht0001copy.jpg (58 downloads)

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429272 05/02/13 10:05 PM 05/02/13 10:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,837 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,837 Kirkland, Washington	Dang New Bee, your devotion to the car is admirable!!! Personally, given that its a NOM 383 car, I wouldn't even consider it. And hey, you and I have something in common, my car is a NOM 383 4 speed cuda, originally a 'low demand' color like gold---F4 green , that's the olive green metallic...now J5 sublime--you've seen it. I wouldn't even consider what you are thinking. My opinion??? The time is right, you have a 1200 sqft house? Step up and please the wife. It's the better decision. Your bee is gorgeous.....leave it alone

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1429273 05/02/13 10:15 PM 05/02/13 10:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Quote: oh yeah sure it is A12, I absolutely love the way your car looks, so I hope you don't take offence to my "boring" comment. I have seen what my car looks like in black and gold, and I am not excited about it. It doesn't have that huge matte black hood scoop! 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429274 05/02/13 10:19 PM 05/02/13 10:19 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Quote: The time is right, you have a 1200 sqft house? Step up and please the wife. The next house which we will design and build wont be a lot more than 1200 sq ft as it's just the two of us. The increase will mostly come in the land and the shop. I didn't know your Cuda was F4 - it looks way better sublime. Of course, sublime is a 70s color. Y4 gold is a very 60s color, which is why I am having a little regret here. I am very dedicated to my Bee. I saved it when nobody else was interested. It's one of those milestones in life. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1429275 05/02/13 10:20 PM 05/02/13 10:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley RodStRace I Live Here
RodStRace I Live Here Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 12,481 Chino Valley	considering that it's just starting into prime cruising season, you don't have the time, space or the money and have other goals (house etc.), I would suggest that you swap it out for one of the others in storage so it's not in your face eating away at you. It's beautiful and finished. AFTER you have more time, money and space, THEN decide.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429276 05/02/13 10:42 PM 05/02/13 10:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore F flypaper I hate Texas
flypaper I hate Texas F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore	just do it..

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429277 05/02/13 10:44 PM 05/02/13 10:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA A12 Too Many Posts
A12 Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,526 N.E. OHIO, USA	Quote: Quote: oh yeah sure it is A12, I absolutely love the way your car looks, so I hope you don't take offence to my "boring" comment. I have seen what my car looks like in black and gold, and I am not excited about it. It doesn't have that huge matte black hood scoop! No offence taken just like I always and still do like your car in orange.....for some reason I like orange a lot too...

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429278 05/03/13 12:35 PM 05/03/13 12:35 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park swapman top fuel
swapman top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park	Please post a few more pics of that sweet BEE. Would look good in ILLINOIS. Looks like it is time to sell.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: swapman] #1429279 05/03/13 12:56 PM 05/03/13 12:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429280 05/03/13 02:32 PM 05/03/13 02:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park swapman top fuel
swapman top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park	Motor, trans? and most of all PRICE. If you are at all serious, please PM. Nothing like ORANGE JUICE.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: swapman] #1429281 05/03/13 02:58 PM 05/03/13 02:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Swapman, it's a 383 4sp car with its original 3:91 gears. Of course, everything has its price, but it would take a lot more than its worth for me to ever consider selling it. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429282 05/03/13 03:30 PM 05/03/13 03:30 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 788 Plymouth, MI H HotRod20 super stock
HotRod20 super stock H Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 788 Plymouth, MI	I will agree with others to keep it Orange 999. Its done, awesome, and if you dont like it simply because of the paint color, buy another Bee thats restored already and sell off the one you have. Nuff said? Enjoy it, wish I had it. HR 20

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: HotRod20] #1429283 05/03/13 05:04 PM 05/03/13 05:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park swapman top fuel
swapman top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park	Quote: I will agree with others to keep it Orange 999. Its done, awesome, and if you dont like it simply because of the paint color, buy another Bee thats restored already and sell off the one you have. Nuff said? Enjoy it, wish I had it. HR 20 I agree, But to the OP, if you ever want to talk? We can. Besides it rains to much in OREGON. I can take it out and STRETCH its legs a few times. Car is way to cool to change color. But in the end it is your car. And I love it.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: swapman] #1429284 05/03/13 06:25 PM 05/03/13 06:25 PM
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62maxwgn master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,436 Blair County,PA	Quote: You need to sell that Bee as quick as possible. Don't even think twice. I only know of one guy on the planet who goes nuts for Vitamin C. MOPARS. Check out this BIRD I sold and still am kicking myself. So please do the honorable thing and PM me before someone talks sense into you. I will make this problem go away in a PAIR of SECONDS! If the rest of this machine is as stunning as the color, let's play MAKE A DEAL. I can fix that !! 7692882-Bird82.jpg (25 downloads)

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: 62maxwgn] #1429285 05/04/13 04:05 PM 05/04/13 04:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,085 NotRussia 2 2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger
2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger 2 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,085 NotRussia	Keep it orange. It's not original anyways so I would rip off the vinyl top and color match the roof (not into vinyl tops on ANY car). If you have to have a Y4 car, find another car w/that coded. Maybe an R/T or a 'vert to change things up a bit. That car is begging for some big honking tires under the rear wheel wells. Last edited by ragtopdodge; 05/04/13 04:05 PM. 70 318 Chally vert FC7/XW (sold) 06 300c SRT8 04 2500 QCLB 4x4 HO 1971 BMW 2800CS 1955 Nomad 1970 280SL

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429286 05/04/13 04:09 PM 05/04/13 04:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington ph23vo I Live Here
ph23vo I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,471 renton, Washington	Quote: I've been thinking a lot about the color of my Super Bee lately. When I started the restoration in 2005, I absolutely hated the original color of Y4 gold. The original engine was long gone, and there was no build sheet. I decided to paint the car a color I would have ordered if I bought it in 1969. I looked over original color charts, and decided on 999 Vitamin C orange. Two years into the restoration, I discovered that no Super Bees were painted this color. Still, the car looked great and the restoration was completed in 2008. This was a rotisserie restoration, so the entire body was painted orange. A couple years ago, I saw a Dart with a fresh coat of Y4. Like my Bee, it had a white interior, stripe and top. It looked pretty amazing. So, I have been wondering what it would cost to change my car back to it's proper color. Cost is definitely a consideration, but keep this in mind - my Bee is not an investment. I will never get back what I put into it. That's never been the objective. It's a car I plan to keep for a long time. It seems like if I were to do this, it would be best to do it while everything is still factory fresh. I think I know what it would cost to do this, but I'd like to hear your opinions. SELL IT and buy a real 99/ 999 paint coded car

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: ph23vo] #1429287 05/04/13 04:22 PM 05/04/13 04:22 PM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	I appreciate all the opinions. I still would like to hear more opinions on costs. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429288 05/05/13 08:57 AM 05/05/13 08:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 511 South Georgia tx9cuda mopar
tx9cuda mopar Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 511 South Georgia	The car is stunning! Leave it as is. Your original reasoning for painting it orange is still legit. That devil guy is just sitting on your shoulder saying you shoulda painted it gold dude - messing with your head. Swat him off and enjoy that orange beauty. 1971 BS23H1B

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429289 05/05/13 11:28 AM 05/05/13 11:28 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio OhioMopar master
OhioMopar master Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 8,779 Mt.Gilead, Ohio	Quote: Triple black is as good as it gets! You got that right! (had to weigh in on that one) I really like your car. The orange looks great. I don't mind gold, but as good as your car looks it would be hard for me to justify repainting it. O/T, I think the big thing '69 Bees were missing was a top banana like yellow. The pale yellow just doesn't pop like a yellow should on a BEE. 1969 Dart GTS 340 1969 Super Bee X9 N-96 1969 Coronet R/T X9 N-96 2015 Dodge Dart GT 2019 Ram 2500 Big Horn. Looking for the original block for my Bee. The last 4 are 7449

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: OhioMopar] #1429290 05/05/13 03:32 PM 05/05/13 03:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,085 NotRussia 2 2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger
2fast4yourBrain Whack top Dodger 2 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,085 NotRussia	If you were to have EVERYTHING done by someone else, I would say maybe $20-30k for a color change. $10-20k in body work/paint (won't need much body work if you have it blasted to remove the paint, but still a lot to come off), and $10k in dismantling, re-assembly. 70 318 Chally vert FC7/XW (sold) 06 300c SRT8 04 2500 QCLB 4x4 HO 1971 BMW 2800CS 1955 Nomad 1970 280SL

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429291 05/06/13 10:24 AM 05/06/13 10:24 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl B bonefish master
bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	Quote: I appreciate all the opinions. I still would like to hear more opinions on costs. min.12-14,000.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: A12] #1429292 05/06/13 09:41 PM 05/06/13 09:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl B bonefish master
bonefish master B Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,274 s.w.fl	Quote: Quote: Gold and black is pretty boring oh yeah sure it is MAN!!!!!thats got to be one of the best B-Bodies ive ever seen.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429293 05/06/13 09:43 PM 05/06/13 09:43 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,741 North Dakota 6PakBee I Live Here
6PakBee I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 10,741 North Dakota	If it isn't broken.......... "We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: 6PakBee] #1429294 05/06/13 10:25 PM 05/06/13 10:25 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,867 Pattison Texas CSK master
CSK master Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,867 Pattison Texas	change the color of the lenses in your glasses to make your car look like a different color,cause to paint that beautiful car poop gold would be a crime. 1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429295 05/06/13 10:41 PM 05/06/13 10:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore F flypaper I hate Texas
flypaper I hate Texas F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore	Quote: I appreciate all the opinions. I still would like to hear more opinions on costs. i think he's going for it!

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: flypaper] #1429296 05/07/13 02:48 AM 05/07/13 02:48 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	I'm not going for anything yet. I am still torn - I love the way the car looks in orange, but I have become more of a purist as I get older. So, I am trying to sort out the conflict. As I said earlier, this car has never been about the money. I love owning it, and I restored it as a learning experience plus I wanted to save a classic muscle car. I could sell it and buy a more correct car, but I know this one inside and out. There is a lot of value in that alone. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429297 05/07/13 03:44 AM 05/07/13 03:44 AM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA Silver70 I Live Here
Silver70 I Live Here Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 18,582 Rust Belt, SW PA	I'm pretty much over the high impact colors. Orange, purple, sublime etc... I find those colors more boring than greens, golds, browns and so on now. I always regretted painting my 69 runner sublime over the original bronze. But I didn't regret going from white to silver on a 70 runner. I did go with black on my 70 challenger that was green originally... but only because I wanted to do a black ta clone. Anyways, your car, no way I'd change it back unless it needed paint... your car looks way too nice to go through the hassle. 68 Road Runner, 69 Belvedere, 71 Challenger Vert 340 barracuda, 01 Ram CTD, 95 Ram, 04 Ram, 85 Daytona turbo Z 66 GTO, 06 Magnum RT AWD. 07 Ram CTD, 07 Ram

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: new bee] #1429298 05/07/13 10:30 AM 05/07/13 10:30 AM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park swapman top fuel
swapman top fuel Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,200 Sec.414,seat 12,White Sox Park	Do whatever YOU want. But if you are contemplating making a big mistake, sell it to ME! The only question I would ask is-How is the suspension? It would take a beating rolling on the cowpaths we call roads in ILLINOIS.

Re: Talk me out of it [Re: swapman] #1429299 05/07/13 11:11 AM 05/07/13 11:11 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or new bee OP Richard Cranium
new bee OP Richard Cranium Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 7,066 portland or	Everything on this car was restored except the steering wheel, ramcharger hood components, some dash parts and license plates. Those items only needed a good cleaning. The suspension is all rebuilt with polyurethane bushings, and we put a large sway bar on the front. We did the bigger sway bar to help a friend test his prototype. While its not a stock diameter, it worked great so I decided to leave it on. The only other non-stock mechanical bits are the high torque starter, a slightly bumpier cam, and electronic ignition. 1969 383 4sp. Super Bee 1966 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GT 1965 Porsche 356C 2004 VW Passat Wagon 2004 Mini Cooper S 1967 Jaguar E-Type FHC A mall cop is in our midst.

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